| 00:00:00 | TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO IS WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WE EXECUTE IN THE U. |
| 00:00:06 | S.? I USED TO SAY IF YOU SHOW ME SOMEBODY ON DEATH ROW I CAN TELL YOU HIS BIOGRAPHY. |
| 00:00:12 | HE'S SOMEBODY WHO GREW UP IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM CAN OF REMOTELY IMAGINE. |
| 00:00:22 | THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT HAD ANY HUMAN CONNECTION UNTIL THEY ARE LIFE IN PRISON OR ON DEATH ROW. |
| 00:00:33 | THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTED AT TRIAL BY A PORTABLE LEADERS. |
| 00:00:37 | IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PORTABLE LAWYERS AT THEIR TRIAL, THEN THEY WERE REPRESENTED BY LAWYERS WHO DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES AND DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO ADEQUATE RESOURCES. |
| 00:00:49 | THEY MAY WELL BE MEMBERS OF AN ETHNIC MINORITY, THEY PROBABLY KILLED SOMEBODY WHO WAS WHITE, BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE WHO GET EXECUTED IN TEXAS AND MOST PEOPLE WHO GET EXECUTED IN THE U. |
| 00:01:01 | S. KILLED SOMEBODY WHO IS WHITE JUST TO INTERRUPT MY TIRADE WITH A STATISTIC. |
| 00:01:08 | [LAUGHTER] BLACKS AND WHITES ARE VICTIMS OF HOMICIDE IN ABOUT EQUAL NUMBERS IN THE U. |
| 00:01:15 | S.. IN THE HISTORY OF THE MODERN DEATH PENALTY IN THE U. |
| 00:01:18 | S. 80% OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN EXECUTED HAVE BEEN EXECUTED FOR KILLING A WHITE PERSON. |
| 00:01:24 | THAT TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHETHER THE DEATH PENALTY REGIME IS A RACIST REGIME. |
| 00:01:30 | I THOUGHT AND ARGUED THAT THIS FOCUS ON INNOCENCE WAS A DISTRACTION AND WE SHOULD REALLY BE TALKING AND ALL OF THESE OTHER ISSUES INSTEAD, AND THEN I TURN AROUND AND WRITE A BOOK WHERE THE CENTRAL INMATE IS SOMEBODY WHO I THINK IS INNOCENT. |
| 00:01:50 | NOW THERE IS ANOTHER INMATE SHALL REFER TO WHO WASN'T INNOCENT BUT THE MAIN CHARACTER IS, AND THE REASON THAT I DID THAT FRANKLY IS BECAUSE, AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, MY BOOK ISN'T REALLY A POLEMICAL LOOK ABOUT THEM TO DEATH PENALTY IS ABOUT BEING A DEATH PENALTY LAWYER, AND I WILL TELL YOU HONESTLY THAT IT'S A LOT HARDER TO REPRESENT SOMEBODY WHO YOU THINK IS INNOCENT. |
| 00:02:21 | WHEN YOU REPRESENT SOMEBODY WHO YOU KNOW TO BE GUILTY, YOU DON'T WANT YOUR OWN CLIENT TO BE EXECUTED NO MATTER HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE DEATH PENALTY. |
| 00:02:33 | YOU DO THE WORK LONG ENOUGH, AS I HAVE DONE, YOU EVEN CHOLLET DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE EXECUTED. |
| 00:02:39 | YOU UNDERSTAND THE DEATH PENALTY SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE TODAY DOESN'T WORK. |
| 00:02:44 | BUT WHEN YOU COME HOME AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN ONE OF YOUR CLIENTS HAS BEEN EXECUTED, YOU WALK INTO YOUR KITCHEN AND YOUR SON SAYS YOU LOOK GLUM TO READ YOU GO UPSTAIRS AND BEAT YOURSELF UP FOR A WHILE ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS YOU MIGHT HAVE DONE THAT YOU DIDN'T DO, THE THINGS YOU DID THAT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE, THINGS THAT HE MIGHT HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY, THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU COULD HAVE SPENT JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME TWEAKING. |
| 00:03:13 | YOU DO ALL THOSE THINGS AFTER EVERY EXECUTION, AND THEN YOU TURN THE PAGE AND SAY I MIGHT HAVE MADE THE LAST MISTAKE, BUT MY CLIENT MADE THE FIRST ONE. |
| 00:03:26 | MY CLIENT COMMITTED THE MURDER WHICH IS THE REASON THAT ALL I AM NOW FINDING MYSELF IN THIS POSITION WHERE I AM BEATING MYSELF UP. |
| 00:03:35 | YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CLIENT YOU THINK IS INNOCENT. |
| 00:03:39 | THERE ISN'T ANOTHER PAGE TO TERM. |
| 00:03:42 | YOU ARE LEFT WITH QUESTIONING OF YOUR OWN DECISIONS. |
| 00:03:47 | AND THAT WAS THE REASON THAT I THOUGHT THAT THIS BOOK WOULD BE A MORE HONEST BOOK IF I COULD FIND A CLIENT TO FEATURE WHO I BELIEVE DIDN'T COMMIT THE CRIME THAT HE WAS EXECUTED. |
| 00:04:03 | >> COULD I ADD A PIECE TO WHAT WAS SAID? |
| 00:04:06 | JUST TO REMOVE IT FROM THE DEATH |
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