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00:00:23	>>	I THINK WE ALL OWE A DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO BAT YE'OR ON HER PREVIOUSLY WORK ON DEMITUDE, DEMI IS NOT A WORD SHE INVENTED. IT EXISTS IN THE ISLAMIC THEOLOGY IN PRACTICE. DEMITUDE AS A CONTEMPT OR RELATIONSHIP IS SOMETHING BAT YE'OR'S EXTENSIVE STUDIES BROUGHT TO COMMON, FAIRLY COMMON UNDERSTANDING. THERE WAS AS YOU PROBABLY ALL REMEMBER THE DELIGHTFULLY PLEASANT IDEA THAT MUSLIMS WERE GOOD TO PEOPLES OF THE BOOK, THAT IS JEWS AND CHRISTIANS IN MUSLIM TERRITORIES. THEY HAD PROTECTED STATUS AND THAT'S WHAT I LEARNED GROWING UP AND I THINK THAT IS STILL A VERY COMMON IDEA AMONG PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO HAVE A GENTLE RESPONSE TO ALL RELIGIOUS WHICH IS CERTAINLY GENERALLY APPROPRIATE. BUT THE STORY OF THE POSITION OF DEMI'S IN MUSLIM LANDS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS ROSY AND WE CAN ALL LEARN ABOUT THAT. IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR CONSCIOUSNESS BY BAT YE'OR. WHILE IT MAKES SOME DIFFICULTIES, PERHAPS, POTENTIAL DIFFICULTIES IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH ISLAM, LIKE ALL IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIPS IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT RELATIONSHIP BE FOUNDED ON TRUTH. AND BAT YE' OR WHO IS NOT ANTI-ISLAM GAVE US THE TRUTH, THAT PARTICULAR TRUTH TO BUILD INTO OUR DEVELOPING RELATIONSHIP WITH ISLAM. TODAY SHE'S GOING TO BE PRESENTING A NEW SUBJECT, ANOTHER NEW CONCEPT, ANOTHER TERM SHE'S INVENTED, EURABIA. IT IS THE CONCEPT THAT THERE IS AN ATTEMPT TO BUILD A COMMON EUROPEAN-ARABIAN POLITICAL, CULTURAL BLOCK -- BLOC AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR SOME -- MORE THAN A GENERATION NOW, AND IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT IN THE POLITICS AND LIFE PARTICULARLY OF EUROPE. HUDSON GIVES TWO KINDS OF PROGRAMS. SOMETIMES IT PRESENTS THE WORK OF ITS OWN SCHOLARS AND RESEARCH, AND SOMETIMES IT BRINGS TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY THE WORK OF OTHERS WHICH WE THINK IS INTERESTING AND DESERVING OF SCRUTINY, ANALYSIS, AND DEBATE AND IT IS IN THAT WAY THAT WE BRING BAT YESOR HERE TODAY WITH AMPLE TIME FOR DISCUSSION. WHEN IT'S TIME FOR QUESTIONS I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ONE OF THOSE REMARKS ABOUT PLEASE MAKE IT A QUESTION. THE WHOLE POINT IS TO HAVE -- TO PUT THE IDEAS FORWARD BY HEARING PEOPLE'S REACTIONS AND CHALLENGES TO THEM AND THE ANSWERS TO THAT AND MAYBE TWO OR THREE CYCLES WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY TO LEARN ABOUT SOMETHING, PARTICULARLY SOMETHING AS NEW AS THIS CONCEPT. I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO PRESENT THE CONCEPT. THAT'S HER JOB. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO AN ISSUE WHICH I THINK WILL -- LIGHT WILL BE SHED ON IN THIS AND WHICH I HAVE BEEN INTERESTED AS I HAVE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND IT AND THAT IS THE DISTINCTION OR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN EURABIA AS A SET OF IDEAS OR EVEN INTELLECTUAL FASHIONS ON THE ONE HAND AND SORT OF ORGANIZATIONAL AND OPERATIONAL PLANNING ON THE OTHER HAND. AS I HAVE TRIED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO EXPRESS IT, I THINK OF THEM AS TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU TRY TO EXPRESS IT IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEPARATE. THEY COME TAGGET. AND THAT -- THEY COME TOGETHER. AND THAT DYNAMIC BETWEEN THESE TWO WAYS OF LOOKING AT THINGS IS ONE OF THE MAJOR ASPECTS OF THIS THESIS THAT WE'LL BE LEARNING MORE ABOUT. SO SHE WILL BE TALKING FOR APPROXIMATELY 20 MINUTES, A HALF AN HOUR, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE REST OF THE TIME FOR DISCUSSION, ANALYSIS, DEBATE, AND SO ON.
00:05:49	>>	THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THE SUBJECT I WILL SPEAK ABOUT AND I WILL TRY TO EXPLAIN IS RELATED TO A NEW CONCEPTION WHICH IS CALLED EURABIA. I HAVEN'T INVENTED THE TERM, EURABIA IS THE NAME OF A MONTHLY REVIEW THAT WAS PUBLISHED BY DIFFERENT EUROPEAN GROUPS WHICH WERE TRYING TO CREATE A LINK, CONTINENT BASED ON A FUSION FROM THE TWO SHORES OF THE MEDITERRANEAN AND BASED ON ANTI-AMERICANISM AND ANTI-ISRAELI POLICY. AT THE BEGINNING WHEN THIS IDEA WAS SET UP, IT WAS IN 1960'S. IT WAS ALSO ACCORDING TO THE GOAL POLICY, ANTI-AMERICAN MOST OF THOSE TRENDS WERE REPRESENTED BY NEO-NAZIS, FASCIST GROUPS. ALL ANTI-SEMITIC GROUPS. BUT LATER, WITH THE SACRAMENTO OF A EURABIAN POLICY, THE IDEOLOGY EXTENDED AND INTEGRATED DIFFERENT GROUPS. I WOULD LIKE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT AS I HAVE STUDIED HISTORY AND MY SUBJECT WAS THE ISLAMIZATION OF CHRISTIAN SOCIETY, I NOTICED THAT THE ISLAMIZATION AND TRANSFORMATION IN THE LONG TERM OF THE CHRISTIAN SOCIETY, WHICH HAS ITS OWN CULTURE AND RELIGION AND INSTITUTIONS WELL ESTABLISHED AND WHICH IS ISLAMIZED IS A LONG PROCESS. IN THE STUDY OF HISTORY, MALL, -- THERE ARE SMALL TENDENCIES THAT BRING THE COLLAPSE OF SOCIETY ARE SOMETIMES NOT KNOWN BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE HISTORY THE RESULT OF SEVERAL CONCOMITANT ELEMENTS THAT ARE WORKING TOGETHER AND FINALLY BRING A SUDDEN CHANGES THAT PERCEIVED BY THE HISTORIAN. MY WORK IN HISTORY WAS TO DETECT THOSE SMALL LITTLE EVENTS, SOME OF THE TRENDS, SOCIAL, POLITICAL, CULTURAL, THAT SUDDENLY BROUGHT A TOTAL COLLAPSE OF A CHRISTIAN SOCIETY IN A WAY THAT WAS IRREVERSE BELIEVE AND WHERE IT COULD NO -- IRREVERSIBLE AND WHERE IT CAN NO LONGER CHANGE. SO THIS IS WHAT WE SEE IN THIS UNDETECTABLE TREND THAT BRINGS TO A CHANGE A TOTAL SOCIETY, TOTAL EUROPEAN SOCIETY. NOW, YOU COULD DETECT THOSE TRENDS IN THE EUROPEAN, IN THE ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTIISRAELI MANIFESTATIONS, HUGE MANIFESTATIONS OF HOSTILITY IN THE LAST YEAR OF THE IRAQI WAR WHERE MILLIONS OF EUROPEANS WALKED IN THE STREETS CALLING FOR THE DEATH OF AMERICA'S PRESIDENT BUSH AND OF ISRAEL AND CALLING FOR -- AND CLAIMING SOLIDARITY WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN AND WITH YASSER ARAFAT. THIS WAS IN FACT EXACTLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE ARAB COUNTRIES. WE COULD SEE HERE AS IF EUROPE AND THE ARAB COUNTRIES WERE FORMING ONE ENTITY. THEN WE HAVE IN EUROPE ALSO SEPARATION OF SEX IN SCHOOLS NOW. STUDENTS, PUPILS, WHO REFUSE TO STUDY EUROPEAN HISTORY AND REFUSE TO STUDY THE HISTORY -- WHO ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE TOWARD THEIR MASTERS AND IT IS THE REFUSAL OF THE YOUNG GENERATION WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE INTEGRATED IN EUROPEAN STUDY AND CULTURE, THERE'S A REFUSAL OF THIS CULTURE AND A RETURN AND A PREFERENCE TOWARDS THE ARAB ISLAMIC VIEW OF HISTORY. ALSO IN THE HOSPITALS WE SEE WOMEN WHO REFUSE TO BE EXAMINED Bc DOCTORS, MALE DOCTORS, SO THE SEPARATION OF SEX IN HOSPITALS. AND ALSO A CHANGE OF INSTITUTIONS WHEN UNOFFICIALLY POLYGAMY IS ACCEPTED, WOMEN DISCRIMINATION IS ACCEPTED, AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF A FINE ISLAMIC AND ARAB CULTURE IS ACCEPTED IN EUROPE AND STRONG ANTI-AMERICAN INCH AND ANTISELL -- ANTI-SEMITISM. AND THE DECLARATION OF EUROPEAN HEAD OF STATE. SO, WE THIS ASIAN CULTURE AND WE SAY HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED. IN FACT EURABIA, PEOPLE THINK IT IS LINKED TO AN ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION. BUT THE ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION IS ONLY A COMPONENT OF A WHOLE GEOPOLITICAL CONCEPTION OF FRENCH ORIGIN. IN FACT, IT IS THE LINKED WITH THE GALLIST POLITICAL VISION OF A -- GAUL ISTVISION OF A STRONG UNION. THE GOAL WITH GERMANY ALSO STARTED WORKING ON THE INTER SEGREGATION -- THE INTEGRITY OF THE EUROPEAN POLICY TO BRING ABOUT A CREATION OF A STRONG EUROPE. BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER ASPECT IN THE GAUL POLITICS AND THAT WAS THE LINKING OF THE EUROPE WITH THE ARAB WORLD. DE GAULLE TRIED TO WORK ON THESE ELEMENTS FROM THE 1960'S AND IN 1971 TRYING TO HAVE A PLAN ON, WITH COLONEL GADDAFI ON THIS LINE. BUT IN FACT THE OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WERE OPPOSED TO THIS DE GAULLE POLICY. BUT BY 1971 THERE WERE MORE OR LESS COMING NEARER TO FRENCH VISIONS, ESPECIALLY THE PALESTINIAN TERROR REGION STARTED TO DEVELOP IN UNION AND WAS FELT AS A STRONG THREAT TO THE EUROPEAN SECURITY. BUT IT WAS AFTER THE 1973 WAR THAT BE -- THAT THE CHANGE OF POLICY IN RELATION TO ISRAEL AND THE ARAB WORLD BE, COULD BE SET UPMENT AFTER THE 1973 WAR, TWO WEEKS AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE OCTOBER WAR, THEY ISSUED A -- 15 DAYS AFTER THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY WHICH COUNTED THEN NINE COUNTRIES DECLARED THAT IT WAS ACCEPTING THE ARAB PROPOSALS TO ABOLISH THE BOYCOTT. WHAT WAS THIS PROPOSAL? IT WAS THAT EUROPE SHOULD PROMOTE THE PALESTINIAN POLICY AND DEMAND FROM ISRAEL THE RETURN OF THE 1949 BORDERS AND THE RETURN OF JERUSALEM TO AN ARAB-ISLAMIC SOVEREIGNTY. IT WAS FROM THIS BASE THAT WAS STARTED WHAT WAS CALLED THE EUROPEAN-ARAB DIALOGUE AND WHICH SET THE CONDITION OF A TOTAL S YMBIOSIS BETWEEN THE TWO SO THIS ESTABLISHED BILATERAL RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE EUROPEAN UNION, THE HEAD OF THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, THAT IS THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS, THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION ON ONE SIDE AND ON THE OTHER THE ARAB COUNTRIES, THE LEADERS OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES AND THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ARAB LEAGUE. SO, THIS POLICY WAS CONDUCTED AT THE HEAD LEVEL OF THE TWO PARTIES. AND FROM THEN, FROM 1974-1975, A NETWORK OF BODIES, COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES WERE SET UP IN THE CONTEXT OF THE EURO-ARAB DIALOGUE TO BRING ABOUT THE TOTAL FUSION OF THE TWO POLICIES ON ECONOMIC MATTERS, POLITICAL MATTERS AND CULTURAL MATTERS. THE ARAB POSITION, THE ARAB STATES, DECLARED FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THEY WOULD ENTER INTO THIS DIALOGUE WITH THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF A POLITICAL FRAMEWORK WHICH WAS RELATED TO AMERICA AND TO ISRAEL. OTHERWISE, THEY WOULD NOT. AND THAT THEY WOULD APPROACH EUROPE ONLY IN THIS POLITICAL FRAMEWORK, IF THIS POLITICAL FRAMEWORK WOULD BE RESPECTED. AND THIS DEMAND WAS A CONTINUAL REMINDER TO THE EUROPEAN SIDE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE EURO-ARAB MEETING. FOR INSTANCE, AT THE AMSTERDAM MEETING THIS 1975, IN 1975 IN THE CONTEXT OF THE EURO-ARAB THE DIRECTOR GENERAL OF THE MINISTRY DECLARED THAT THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT AND ALL PROBLEMS ARE NOT ONLY RELATED BUT INSEPARABLE AND THAT IF THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WOULD NOT FOLLOW THE ARAB LINE, THE SUPPLY, THE PETROL SUPPLY LINE WOULD NOT BE GUARANTEED. SO THERE WAS A STRONG PRESSURE ON THE EUROPEANS. AND FROM THE ARAB TEXT WE KNOW THAT EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, SOME EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WERE RELUCTANT TO FOLLOW THIS LINE, TO ADOPT THIS LINE AND THAT THEY PREFERRED TO KEEP THIS DIALOGUE, THESE MEETINGS WHICH WERE IN FORMAL AND CONDUCTED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND WITHOUT MEDIA. THE ARAB SIDE REGRETS THIS DISCRETION OF THE POLITICIAN ON THIS PARTICULAR POLICY IN RELATION TO ISRAEL. NOW, IN 1979, AGAIN AT THE SYMPOSIUM IN ITALY WHICH HELD A EURO-ARAB MEETING, AGAIN THE LINK IS EMPHASIZED AND HERE AGAIN THE ARAB PARTIES DEMAND THAT UNLESS EUROPE PUTS THE PALESTINIAN PROBLEM ON THE MORAL EDUCATIONAL LEVEL, THE OIL SUPPLY WILL NOT BE GUARANTEED FROM EUROPE. YOU CAN FIND THE FULL TEXT IN MY BOOK ON PAGE 82 AND THE PREVIOUS ONE IN MY BOOK ON PAGE 71. I GIVE ALL THOSE, ALL THIS INFORMATION ON THIS EURO-ARAB LINK. SO, THIS MEANS THAT THE CAMPAIGN OF MOBILIZATION OF THE PALESTINIAN JUST CAUSE AS IT IS CALLED WAS BASED ON EUROPE'S DESIRE FOR ITS SUPPLY OF OIL AND ALSO THE DEMONIZATION OF ISRAEL, WHICH IS A CONTINUOUS, GRADUAL ELEMENT OF THE EUROPEAN UNION IS ALSO AN ELEMENT OF THIS EURO-ARAB LEAGUE. SO, THIS CREATED -- THOSE LINKS HAS CREATED A PROFOUND SYMBIOSIS BETWEEN THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES ON THE ONE SIDE, THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION, THE EUROPEAN, THE BODY OF THE EUROPEAN UNION, BECAUSE THIS POLICY WAS CONDUCTED WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION AND THE EUROPEAN UNION BODY, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE THE ARAB COUNTRIES. ALL THOSE LINKS AND ALL THOSE AGREEMENTS HAVE CREATED A BLOCK OF SOLIDARITY BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE ARAB COUNTRIES. AND IT IS IN THIS VISION IN THIS IDEOLOGICAL EURABIAN VISION OF UNION BETWEEN EUROPE AND ARAB COUNTRIES THAT THE IMMIGRATION ELEMENT IS INTRODUCED. THE IMMIGRATION GAME AS AN ELEMENT, AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS POLICY. THIS LINK COVERED SEVERAL ASPECTS, ECONOMIC, POLITICAL AND CULTURAL. IN THE POLITICAL SECTOR WE SEE A CONSTANT OPPOSITION TO AMERICA BECAUSE THE ARABS DEMAND THAT EUROPE SEPARATE FROM AMERICA IN ORDER TO WEAKEN THE WESTERN ALLIANCE AND BLOC. IN FACT, NOW, BECAUSE OF THIS EUROPEAN OPPOSITION TO AMERICA, EUROPE IS FOLLOWING AN ARAB POLICY. AND WE HAVE SEEN, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN AMERICA HAS SENT MARK GHOSTMAN TO DISCUSS THE DEMOCRATIZATION IN ARAB COUNTRIES WE HAVE SEEN THIS DEMOCRATIZATION WAS OPPOSED BY THE SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE ARAB LEAGUE, MUBARAK AND ALSO HIS FOREIGN MINISTER. THEY SAY THAT NO DEMOCRATIZATION WILL HAPPEN UNLESS THERE IS THE SOLUTION OF THE ISRAELI- PALESTINIAN PROBLEM. AND THE PRESIDENT FOR THE FOREIGN POLICY OF THE EUROPEAN UNION REPEATED EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE SAID. YOU CAN FIND IT IN MY BOOK. I WILL GIVE A QUOTATION. THEY ARE ONLY REPEATING THE ARAB LEAGUE POLICY AND THE POLICY OF THE PALESTINIAN CAUSE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE ARAB COUNTRIES THERE'S ALSO AN ELEMENT THE SUPPORT OF EUROPE FOR YASSER ARAFAT AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT IN FRANCE IN PARTICULAR AND UNTIL THE LAST MOMENT HAS SUPPORTED YASSER ARAFAT. WHEN YOU READ ALL OF THE ARABS' DEMANDS AND AN READ THE EUROPEAN DECLARATIONS AND POLICIES, YOU SEE THAT THE EUROPEANS ARE FOLLOWING EXACTLY AN ARAB LINE. NOW, IN IS IN RELATION TO POLICY, BUT THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS ALSO IN RELATION TO THE COUNTRY. NOW WE HAVE IN EUROPE A EURO-ARAB CULTURE BECAUSE THE ARAB DEMANDS ASK THE EUROPEAN -- AND THIS IS CONTINUOUSLY REPEATED THAT ISLAM AND ARAB CULTURE SHOULD BE SPREAD IN EUROPE, REALLY SPREAD IN EUROPE, THAT TEACHING SHOULD BE DONE IN THE UNIVERSITY ON ISLAMIC AND ARAB MATTERS BY ARAB AND MUSLIM PROFESSORS, WHICH OF COURSE GIVES THE ISLAMIC VIEW OF HISTORY, WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY OUR VIEW SINCE IT TEACHES THAT JIHAD IS A WAR OF, A JUST WAR AND AS WE KNOW IT HAS BEEN A GENOCIDAL WAR. SO THERE IS A TOTAL DIFFERENCE OF JUDGMENT ON THE HISTORY THERE. AND THERE WE SEE BECAUSE THIS POLICY WAS COMMENCED AT THE TOP LEVEL OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITY, THEN THE EUROPEAN UNION, IT HAS COVERED THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF EUROPE WITH THE SAME TYPE OF CULTURE, WHICH IS ANTI-SEMITIC, ANTI-AMERICAN, AND ALSO FOR EUROPE. SO I HAVE TO GIVE A REPRESENTATION HERE AND SAY EUROPEANS DO NOT ADHERE TO THIS CULTURE. THIS IS A POLITICAL CULTURE WHICH HAS BEEN CREATED SENSE 30 YEARS AND PRESENTED TO THE MEDIA, ACADEME YARKS BY THE CONTROL OF THE PUBLISHERS AND THE TELEVISION AND ALL THE MEDIA , WHICH ARE ALL LINKED WITH THE ARAB MEDIA ACCORDING TO THIS VIEW. NOW, IF YOU WANT TOE KNOW -- IF YOU WANT TO KNOW BETTER ABOUT THIS POLICY OF TOTAL INTEGRATION OF EUROPE AND THE ARAB COUNTRIES, YOU CAN GO TO THE INTERNET AND YOU CAN SEE THE BARCELONA DECLARATION, WHICH IS A DECLARATION THAT WAS MADE BY EUROPEAN COUNTRIES AND ARAB COUNTRIES, INCLUDING TURKEY, IN 1995. AND WHICH PLAN DOES HOLD INDICATIONS OF THE TWO. NOW, THIS VISION WAS EVEN MORE DEVELOPED IN ANOTHER PROJECT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION AND WHICH IS CALLED DIALOGUE OF CULTURE AND CIVILIZATIONS AROUND THE MEDITERRANEAN. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT AND I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU TO READ IT BECAUSE IT DESCRIBES THE TOTAL INTEGRATION AND HARMONIZATION OF THE TWO SHORES OF THE MEDITERRANEAN BY THE REJECTION OF EUROPE CHRISTIAN TIES AND OF COURSE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CULTURE AND ITS ABANDONMENT OF ITS OWN CULTURE SINCE THE POPULATION OF THIS MEDITERRANEAN ENTITY WILL BE CALLED US BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THOSE WHO REPORT THIS REPORT, CALLING THE EUROPEAN CHRISTIANS OR EUROPEAN CULTURE AND THE OTHER SIDE ARAB CULTURE IS RACIST ACCORDING TO THE VIEW OF THEM. SO IN ORDER NOT TO BE RACIST THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS CALLED THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. SO WE DON'T SPEAK OF EUROPEANS. IT IS THE NORTH. AND THEN EVEN THAT IS REFUSED BECAUSE THE OTHERS SAY WHAT IS THE NORTH, WHAT IS THE SOUTH? SOMETIMES THE SOUTH CAN BE THE NORTH. AND THE REPORT WHICH IS THIS REPORT WHICH IS 43 PAGES ON THE INTERNET WHICH IS ILLUSTRATED BY A MAP OF A 12TH CENTURY CULTURE WHICH REPRESENTS THE ARAB COUNTRIES IN THE NORTH AND THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, ITALY, GREECE AND SPAIN IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE ISLAMIC VISION OF HISTORY WHERE ISLAM DOMINATES THEIR INFIDELS. SO THE INFIDEL COUNTRIES ARE BELOW, THEY ARE IN THE SOUTH AND THE DOMINANCE, THE DOMINANT ISLAMIC COUNTRIES ARE IN THE NORTH. SO THIS IS THE MAP THAT ILLUSTRATES THIS STRATEGIC VISION OF EURO-ARAB SYMBIOSIS IN THE MEDITERRANEAN. AND IT EXPLAINS WHY THE ITALIANS WILL NOT CALL THEMSELVES ITALIAN , OR FRENCH, BUT THEY WILL CALL THEMSELVES US. SO THEY WILL RENOUNCE TO THEIR OWN CULTURE AND IDENTITY. NOW, IN ORDER TO STRESS THIS SOLIDARITY BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE ARAB COUNTRIES WE HAVE SEEN THE STRONG ANTI-AMERICAN EXPLOSION HAPPENING IN EUROPE DURING THE IRAQI WAR, AND THIS WAS IN FACT A RESULT -- THIS IS MY OWN THINKING -- OF A CALL OF THE EUROPEAN COMMISSIONER WHO JANUARY 2003, CALLED FOR A STRONG MOVEMENT OF SOLIDARITY BETWEEN EUROPE AND THE ARAB, THE SOUTH. BECAUSE HE SPEAKS OF THE SOUTH. BECAUSE THE ARAB COUNTRIES ARE NOT MENTIONED IN THE EUROPEAN TEXT. SO, THE NORTH HAS TO SHOW ITS SOLIDARITY NOW WITH THE SOUTH. SO, ALL THOSE ELEMENTS YOU CAN SEE IN MY BOOK AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS. AND I WILL SAY AS A CONCLUSION THAT WHAT I HAVE STUDIED IS JUST THE UPPER STRUCTURE THAT LEADS TO A TOTAL TRANSFORMATION OF EUROPE THAT WE CAN SEE ALREADY TODAY BUT WHICH WILL DEVELOP OVER TIME, OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, THE CULTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WE ACHIEVE, FOR INSTANCE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NO MORE A EUROPEAN CULTURE BECAUSE WE ARE TOTALLY FEELING GUILT TOWARD THE ARAB WORLD. WE REJECT THE EUROPEAN CULTURE. WE REJECT CHRISTIANITY. THE CHRISTIANS REJECT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ASSIMILATE THE ISLAMIC, MUSLIM IMMIGRATION. AND ALSO THIS IS A CULTURAL ASPECT, A TOTAL REJECTION OF ISRAEL AND THE REJECTION OF ISRAEL ASSIMILATION, THIS IS REJECTED BY THE MAIN CHRISTIAN CHURCHES SINCE THEY ARE LINKED WITH THE PALESTINIAN REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. SO ALSO WE ARE LIVING IN A PERIOD WHICH I HAVE STUDIED IN HISTORY, A PERIOD OF TOTAL INTELLECTUAL, RELIGIOUS, DISINTEGRATION OF EUROPE AND IT REALLY HAS REPERCUSSIONS ON AMERICA, ON AMERICAN POLICY. AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR AMERICA TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE EUROPE WE SEE TODAY AND WHICH WILL DEVELOP WILL BE THE EUROPE WITH WHOM AMERICA WILL HAVE TO DEAL IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS MIDDLE EAST POLICY, IN THE CONTEXT OF ITS ARAB POLICY, AND IN THE GEOPOLITICAL POLICY. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW.
00:39:02	>>	WE HAVE A MICROPHONE SOMEWHERE. THE FIRST QUESTION OR COMMENT HERE, WOULD YOU START PLEASE BY GIVING YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION?
00:39:16	>>	THANK YOU. I'M CAROL GOLD, I'M WITH CURRENT VIEWPOINT WHICH IS BASED IN LONDON. I'M AN AMERICAN, I HAVE LIVED IN LONDON 30 YEARS. I HAVE DEEP EMOTIONAL TIES THERE BUT I DECIDED TO MOVE BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. BUT WHEN I TRY TO TALK TO AMERICANS HERE, I HAVE LIVED IN WASHINGTON FIVE MONTHS, RIGHT WING, JEWISH CHRISTIAN, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. ANNOUNCEMENT ONE, MY QUESTION IS YOU TOUCHED ON IT AT THE END. WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT ON DANGER TO AMERICA IN TERMS OF OUR WAR ON TERROR THAT AMERICANS I'M MEETING IN WASHINGTON AT FAIRLY HIGH LEVELS CAN'T COMPREHEND WHAT'S GOING ON IN BRITAIN, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WE HAVE POLITICIANS AND NEWSPAPERS LIKE THE GUARDIAN THAT ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST. YOU CAN'T GO TO A DINNER PARTY IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN BECAUSE YOU GET SCREAMED AT. BUT THIS IS NOT COMMUNICATING ITSELF TO AMERICANS. HOW WILL IT IMPACT OUR WAR ON TERROR AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO OUR HIGHEST OFFICIALS SAY TO BRITAIN AND SECOND IF -- THIS MAY NOT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN ANSWER, IT MAY BE SOMETHING MORE FOR THE MEDIA. HOW CAN THIS BE COMMUNICATED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WITHOUT IT LOOKING AS IF FEELING PARANOIA COMING FROM EUROPE?
00:40:58	>>	WELL, ABOUT HOW IT WILL IMPACT ON THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM, YOU SAW ALL THE PRESSURES OF EUROPE ON AMERICA IN ORDER TO PREVENT PRESIDENT BUSH TO NAME EVIL ISLAMIC TERRORISM. EUROPE WANTED TO HIDE THAT BECAUSE IT IS ALLIED WITH ALL THOSE COUNTRIES, PROFOUNDLY ALLIED AND CAN'T CHOOSE ANY MORE THIS POLICY. SO, IT COULD NOT RECOGNIZE ISLAMIC TERRORISM TERRORISM UNLESS IT WOULD CREATE DOMESTIC TERRORISM. AND EUROPE CANNOT PROTECT ITS OWN STORY NOW. IT IS FINISHED. IT HAS LOST THE SECURITY THAT YOU IN AMERICA HAVE. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT EUROPE CANNOT GO ALONG EXCEPT FOR THE COUNTRIES THAT TOOK THE RISK TO GO ALONG WITH PRESIDENT BUSH, GERMANY AND FRANCE AND BELGIUM AND LUXEMBOURG WHICH ARE THE MODEL OF THIS ANTI-AMERICAN AND PRO ARAB POLICY. SO YOU ASK HOW CAN IT IMPACT. WELL YOU HAVE SAY THAT THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION -- IT WAS A WAY TO COVER UP THIS AND TO WORK WITH THE JIHADDIST VISION AGAINST ISRAEL AND AMERICA. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IN EUROPE A GREAT PUBLICITY WAS GIVEN TO A BOOK BY ONE WHO PRETENDED THAT THOSE WHO COMMITTED THE 9/11 TERRORIST ACT WAS AMERICAN OR ISRAELI. SO, THE POLICY WAS TO DEFLECT THE ISLAMIC CAUSE OF TERRORISM ON TO ITS VICTIMS. AND THIS IMPACT ON THE WAR AGAINST TERRORISM. BECAUSE IF YOU CANNOT NAME THE ENEMY, IF YOU CANNOT ASIDE, IF YOU CANNOT SEE HOW IT PENETRATES YOU AND DESTROYS YOU, THERE CAN BE NO MILITARY MEANS. IT SO IF YOU CANNOT DETECT THIS, YOU ARE LOST, YOU CANNOT WIN THIS WAR. AND MANY PEOPLE IN EUROPE -- BECAUSE WHAT I MAINTAINED TO YOU IS THE EURABIAN UPPER CONSTRUCT OF CULTURE BUT THIS IS ENFORCED ON EUROPEANS BUT EUROPEANS DO NOT FEEL LIKE THAT AND MANY HAVE A GREAT ADMONITION FOR -- THEY ARE ON THE SIDE OF AMERICA. SO THIS IS THE FIRST ANSWER HOW IT CAN IN FACT IMPACT ON THE WAR ON TERRORISM. ALSO THIS IS A DEMAND FROM THE ARABS THAT WE SEE ALL THE TIME IN THE AGREEMENTS THAT EUROPEANS GO TO AMERICA AND INFLUENCE AMERICAN LEADERS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS AMERICAN POLICY ON THE ARAB LINE, ON THE EURO-ARAB LINE. SO, YOU HAVE TO BE WATCHING FOR THAT. SO FOR EXAMPLE BLAIR FROM ENGLAND THE DEMAND WAS PLAYED BY SIR RACK AND OTHER EUROPEAN LEADERS THAT BECAUSE BLAIR WENT TO WAR IN IRAQ ALLIED WITH AMERICA, NOW THE COUNTER WILL BE THAT BLAIR INSIST THAT AMERICA FOLLOW THE EUROPEAN-ARAB LINE ON ISRAEL. ISRAEL IS THE PRICE FOR BLAIR'S ENGAGEMENT IN IRAQ. AND THIS WAS CLEARLY STATED IN EUROPEAN PAPERS. SO, IF AMERICA WILL START TO PLAY WITH THIS TRADEOFF, TERRORIST TRADEOFF, THEN THIS IS NOT A WAR AGAINST TERRORISM. WE CANNOT CONDUCT A WAR AGAINST TERRORISM. ESPECIALLY THAT THE WAR AGAINST ISRAEL IS A JIHADDIST WAR, WHICH IS ALSO FRIGHTENING EUROPE AND THE DISAPPEARANCE OF ISRAEL WILL BE A TERRIBLE BLOW TO CHRISTIANITY AND TO THE WESTERN WORLD. I -- HOW YOU CAN IMPACT ON THE JOURNALISTS AND NEWSPAPERS, I DON'T KNOW. YOU HAVE TO FIND OUT.
00:46:31	>>	QUESTION OVER THERE?
00:46:33	>>	IT IS ALMOST --
00:46:35	>>	COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF?
00:46:37	>>	ANDY BOSTON FROM BROWN UNIVERSITY. IT IS ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO THAT YOU GAVE THIS SADLY PRESSENT INTERVIEW WHERE YOU SAID I DO NOT SEE SERIOUS SIGNS OF EUROPEANIZATION OF ISLAM A MOOD THAT WOULD BE EXPRESSED IN A SELF-CRITICAL VIEW OF ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM. WE ARE LIGHT YEARS FROM SUCH A DEVELOPMENT. ON THE CONTRARY I THINK WE ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE ISLAMIZATION OF EUROPE REFLECTED BOTH THIS DAILY OCCURRENCES AND IN OUR WAY OF THINKING. ALL THE RACIST FAN NATIONAL SIMPLE THAT PERMEATES THE ARAB COUNTRIES IN IRAN HAS BEEN MAN PHELPSED IN EUROPE IN RECENT YEARS. NOW, IT IS SELF-EVIDENT THAT THE SITUATION HAS NOT IMPROVED SINCE 1991 AND YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE A STRONG ARGUMENT THAT IT HAS GOTTEN WORSE. BUT THIS ISSUE OF NO CANDID DISCUSSION OF THE HISTORY OF ISLAMIC IMPERIALISM I.E. JIHAD, WHY HAS THERE BEEN NO ADVANCE, NOT SO MUCH COMING FROM THE MUSLIM SAID BUT EVEN WESTERN ACADEMICS ABOUT JUST GETTING PAST THE HISTORICAL NEGATIONISM OF THE HISTORY OF WHAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATELY DESCRIBED AS GENERAL KNOW IDENTIFYAL WAR? AND IF WE CAN'T GET PAST THAT HOW CAN WE BEGIN TO HAVE THE TOOLS TO CONFRONT THIS PROBLEM?
00:47:55	>>	YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THE FIRST THING IS TO KNOW WHAT IS OUR ENEMY. AND JIHAD IS NOT JUST A TACTICAL MEASURE TO DESTROY THE WEST. IT IS IMPLEMENTED INTO AN IDEOLOGY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE EIGHTH AND NINTH CENTURY. JIHAD IS A FORCE IN HISTORY. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. IT HAS CHANGED THE WHOLE FACE OF THE EARTH. IT WAS STARTED IN THE SEVENTH CENTURY. IT HAS COVERED THREE CONTINENTS. IT HAS DESTROYED MILLIONS OF POPULATIONS AND PEOPLE. IT HAS DESTROYED SEVERAL CIVILIZATIONS. A VERY IMPORTANT CIVIL DAYS AGO LIKE IN THE HINDU PENINSULA AND THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE. THE CHRISTIAN EMPIRE, ALL THE EMPIRES WERE CHRISTIANS BEFORE BEING ISLAMIZED BY JIHAD. AND ALSO IN ASIA IT HAS IMPACT OVER THE HINDU AND THE INTERVIEWEDISTS -- INTERVIEWEDISTS. -- BUDDHISTS. SO WE ARE IN A JIHAD PERIOD AND WE ARE SEEING IT IN THE CRITERIA OF JIHAD AND THE PROGRAMS OF JIHAD. WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT PEACE AND JUSTICE BUT THOSE WORDS HAVE DIFFERENT SIGNIFICANCE ACCORDING TO JIHADDIST CONCEPTIONS AND OUR CONCEPTION AND WE MUST BE AWARE OF THAT. NOW, JIHAD IS A FORCE THAT UNLEASHED NOW GLOBALLY ON DIFFERENT FRONTS AND ISRAEL IS JUST A VERY SMALL ELEMENT OF THIS BIG JIHAD EVENT. WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF WHAT IS JIHAD, ITS IDEOLOGY, ITS TACTICS, HOW IT IS ADVANCED, AND ALSO WHAT IS THE FOLLOWING OF JIHAD. THAT MEANS, DEMITUDE. BECAUSE WHEN THROUGH JIHAD ALL THOSE MOSLEM COUNTRIES WERE CON CONQUERED THEY WERE POPULATED BY A MAJORITY OF CHRISTIANS AND HIN INTRODUCE. BUT WHAT BROUGHT THOSE POPULATIONS TO BECOME VERY SMALL MINORITIES, TOTALLY DISAPPEARING FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRIES AND FORGETTING THEIR OWN HISTORY. NOW, WE SEE THIS, THESE STEPS BEING TAKEN IN EUROPE WHERE EUROPEANS RENOUNCE BY THEMSELVES TO THEIR OWN IDENTITY, TO THEIR OWN CHRISTIAN IDENTITY IN ORDER TO ACCEPT THE ISLAMIZATION OF EUROPE. AND WE CAN RECOGNIZE IF WE KNOW DEMITUDES, WHICH NO ONE KNOWS. IF AWAY KNOW THE SYSTEM OF DEMITUDE THAT HAS DESTROYED THE PEOPLE CONQUERED BY JIHAD, WE CAN FIGHT BETTER, WITH MORE EFFICIENCY AGAINST THIS TREMENDOUS CHALLENGE THAT IS PRESSING US, THREATENING US, THREATENING OUR CIVILIZATION. AND I WANT TO TELL THAT YOU CIVIL DAYS AGOS ARE -- CIVILIZATION ARE MARTYRS. THE BEST OF CIVILIZATION I HAVE STUDIED AND WHAT WE CONSIDER TODAY SURE FOR US, FOR OUR GRANDCHILDREN CAN BE TOTALLY DISAPPEARED. SO WE MUST BE WELL AWARE OF THIS AND ALSO OF OUR OWN VALUES AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR US THAT WE CAN DEFEND THEM, THAT WE CAN LEARN HOW TO DEFEND THEM
00:53:12	>>	HUDSON INSTITUTE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE DEBATE ON POLITICAL ISLAM. I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK CAN BE DONE TO CHANGE THIS TREND THAT YOU DESCRIBED? YOU DESCRIBED DEMOGRAPHIC, CULTURAL AND POLITICAL TENDENCIES IN EUROPE. WHAT CAN BE DONE BY THE AMERICAN POLICY MAKERS AND WHAT CAN BE DONE BY EUROPEANS WHO WISH EUROPE TO REMAIN DEMOCRATIC, FREE, AND PERHAPS TO BECOME AGAIN PRO AMERICAN OR EVEN FRIENDLY TO ISRAEL?
00:53:58	>>	THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT AMERICA CAN DO. BECAUSE OFFICIALLY EUROPEAN LEADERS ARE VERY MUCH AFRAID OF WHAT THE AMERICANS WILL SAY. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THEY TRIED TO HIDE THE WAVE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN EUROPE THEY WERE FORCED BY THE CONTINUOUS ARTICLES IN THE AMERICAN NEWSPAPER AND DECLARATION OF AMERICAN LEADERS AND CONGRESSMEN TO FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT THEY HAVE WRITTEN AND IT WAS PRESIDENT BUSH HIMSELF WHO REFERRED TO THE WAVE OF ANTI-SEMITISM IN EUROPE WHICH WAS VERY GOOD BECAUSE IT OBLIGED THE LEADERS. SO AFTER TWO GENERATIONS WE SEE THE SAME THING IN EUROPE. SO, THE SAME HATE CULTURE DEVELOPING. BUT WHAT YOU COULD DO, AMERICANS, TO PREVENT THIS, FIRST OF ALL, TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS EVOLUTION IN EUROPE. AND READ MY BOOK. I'M ASHAMED TO BE -- DISCUSS ABOUT ALL OF THOSE AGREEMENTS, IF YOU CAN FIND THEM ON THE INTERNET. MANY ARE ON THE INTERNET. YOU CAN FIND THEM. SO, DISCUSS ABOUT THIS EUROPEAN ANTI-AMERICAN POLICY. WE MUST BE AWARE OF IT AND DISCUSS IT. BECAUSE THERE ARE STRONG PRO AMERICAN FEELINGS THAT EXIST IN EUROPE. AND ALSO WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TO PROMOTE THE MUSLIMS. THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS IN EUROPE, WHO HAVE TOTALLY INTEGRATED INTO OUR SOCIETY, ARE OPPOSED TO THIS JIHADDISTVIEW, FIGHT COURAGEOUSLY IN EUROPE AND WE SHOULD SUPPORT THOSE MUSLIM VERY POSITIVE ELEMENTS BECAUSE IT IS THEM WHO WILL HAVE TO MAKE ISLAM MODERNIZED AND CHANGE ITS VIEW ON MOSLEMS. WE RELY ON MOSLEMS TO DO THAT. IT IS NOT US THAT CAN DO IT. IT IS THE MOSLEMS SO MUST DECIDE THAT THESE JIHADDIST INTERPRETATIONS OF HISTORY IS RACIST AND IT IS FOR THEM TO REJECT THEM AND ADOPT A NEW INTERPRETATION OF THEIR ISLAMIC VALUES IN ORDER TO BE INTEGRATED IN THE FAMILY OF NATIONS ON EQUAL TERMS AND ACCEPT THE OTHERS ON EQUAL TERMS. NOW, THE DANGER IS THAT IN EUROPE A PUBLIC MOVEMENT CAN DEVELOP AND XENOPHOBIA WILL NOT HELP ANYTHING. AT WORST IT WILL ENDANGER BECAUSE WITH XENOPHOBIA YOU CANNOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO FIGHT IT AND THOSE WHO ARE LINKED TO TERRORISM. ALSO, XENOPHOBIA IS JUST A VISCERAL REACTION, WHICH IS A PERSONAL ATTACK ON PEOPLE. AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS TOO BIG TO BE VIEWED IN THAT WAY. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE EUROPEAN LEADERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR POLICY AND ASK THEM WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND WHAT ARE THEIR SOLUTIONS TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WHICH THEY HAVE SO BLINDLY BROUGHT ABOUT IN EUROPE.
00:58:52	>>	ALL RIGHT.
00:58:53	>>	WOULD YOU AGREE --
00:58:54	>>	IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
00:58:59	>>	MAURY AMATAI JEWISH INSTITUTE FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AFFAIRS. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE INFLUENCE OF OIL TODAY IS NOT AS MUCH AS IT WAS FOLLOWING THE 1973 WAR WITH THE ARAB OIL BOYCOTT WITH SOURCES OF OIL COMING FROM OTHER PLACES? AND BUT MY MAIN -- THAT IS MORE OF A COMMENT. MY MAIN QUESTION IS, WHAT IS A QUICK ANSWER WHEN YOU HEAR A WELL-MEANING AMERICAN PRESIDENT DECLARE THAT ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE?
00:59:34	>>	ABOUT THE OIL PROBLEM, YES, THERE ARE SOURCES OF ENERGY WHICH ARE DIFFERENT NOW MORE THAN BEFORE. BUT THE OIL PROBLEM WAS NEVER A DETERMINANT IN EUROPEAN POLICY. IT WAS A PRETEXT. BECAUSE AMERICAN, IN 1970 -- IN 1973 -- HAD SAID TO EUROPE DON'T ACCEPT THE ARAB BOYCOTT, THE ARAB CHALLENGE AND THREAT AND I WILL SUPPLY YOU WITH THE OIL. AND AMERICA WAS READY TO FIGHT FOR THE OIL SUPPLIES. IN FACT, THE PLANNING OF THIS ALLIANCE AGAINST AMERICA AND ISRAEL WAS ALREADY DONE AND THE OIL BOYCOTT WAS JUST A PRESECRETARY TEXT THAT BROUGHT A CHANGE IN THE -- IT WAS JUST A PRETEXT THAT BROUGHT ABOUT A CHANGE IN THE EUROPEAN POLICY. NOW ABOUT WHAT THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT SAID, WELL, AMERICA IS A BIG COUNTRY AND IT IS -- THE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA CANNOT MAKE A DECLARATION WHICH IS INCITING TO A BILLION MUSLIM PEOPLE. AND I THINK THAT THIS PRESENCE OF PRESIDENT BUSH IS VERY WISE BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF AMERICA TO BREAK ALL RELATIONS WITH THE MUSLIM PEOPLE . AND THERE MANY SORT OF ISLAMISTS. I THINK IT IS WISE TO THINK AND TO SAY LIKE THAT AND TO KEEP GOOD RELATIONS WITH MUSLIM COUNTRIES WHICH ARE NOT PUSHING FOR THE JIHADDIST POLICY. IF AMERICA BREAKS ITS RELATIONS WITH ALL THE ARAB COUNTRIES, IT WILL BE THE VICTORY OF EUROPE, OF THE ANTI-AMERICAN EUROPE, WHO WILL PROFIT FROM THE SEPARATION AND THE CONFLICT BETWEEN AMERICA AND ALL THE ARAB COUNTRIES. MOREOVER, BY HAVING A MORAL, BY HAVING THAT POSITION IT CAN PROTECT THE MUSLIMS IN THE ARAB COUNTRIES THAT WANT TO CHANGE AND THE MODERNIZATION OF ISLAM.
01:02:48	>>	DAVID AIKLAN. WHY DO YOU THINK EUROPEANS IN GENERAL ARE SO RELUCTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE GROWING INFLUENCE OF ISLAM IN THEIR CULTURE AND SOCIETY AND THE POTENTIAL THREAT THAT THIS POSES TO EUROPEAN FREE INSTITUTIONS?
01:03:15	>>	THE EUROPEANS KNOW VERY WELL THAT BUT THEY ARE LIVING THINGS 30 YEARS IN A CULTURE WHICH IS STRUCTURED BY TABOO. AND THOSE WHO WILL SPEAK ABOUT THOSE PROBLEMS MIGHT BE FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS. THE NEWSPAPER REJECTS ARTICLES WHICH WOULD SPEAK OF THIS PROBLEM. BOOKS ARE REFUSED IF THEY, IF THEY ARE PRO AMERICAN, PRO ISRAELI, OR SUCH VIEWS ARE EXPRESSED. SO ONLY VERY MILITANT EUROPEAN PUBLISHERS TAKE SUCH BOOKS. BUT THERE IS NO PUBLICITY MADE IN THE PRESS FOR THOSE BOOKS. THEY ARE PUBLISHED BUT THEY IMMEDIATELY ARE PUT AWAY AND BOOKSHELVES REFUSE TO SHOW EVEN THOSE BOOKS BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING ATTACKED. SO, THIS IS THE REASON WHY. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW IN EUROPE THIS TABOO CULTURE HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN ACADEMIA, IN THE UNIVERSITY, IN ALL ASPECTS OF CULTURAL LIFE, IN TELEVISIONS AND EVERY ARE. AND YOU JUST CAN'T FIGHT AGAINST IT UNLESS YOU ARE VERY STRONG, UNLESS YOU CREATE A MAJORITY MOVEMENT THAT WILL GO AGAINST IT. AND UNLESS YOU DENOUNCE IT. AND THE DENOUNCEMENT CAN COME FROM AMERICA. THIS WILL HELP THE EUROPEANS TO DENOUNCE SUCH A SOCIETY AND THERE ARE EUROPEANS THAT ARE SAYING THAT. FINALLY, AFTER SEVERAL YEARS, ONE OF MY BOOKS IS PUBLISHED AGAIN. IT IS COMING OUT NOW. AND I HAVE A BIG ARTICLE INTERVIEW WHICH HAS APPEARED IN ONE OF THE LEADING REVIEWS OF FRANCE, WHICH IS APPEARING THIS DAY. AND THIS IS A MAJOR REVOLUTION. THAT FINALLY, AFTER HAVING WRITTEN ALL OF THOSE BOOKS IN FRENCH I HAVE A REVIEW IN ONE OF THE MAJOR FRENCH NEWSPAPERS. JURISDICTION LIEUWISE LANDAU AMERICAN JEWISH COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPLICATIONS IF TURKEY WERE TO JOIN THE EUROPEAN UNION?
01:05:59	>>	WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE A DISASTER FOR EUROPE BECAUSE TURKEY WAS A -- WAS -- A SECULAR COUNTRY AND COULD IMPOSE SECULARISM ON A VERY RELIGIOUS POPULATION. NOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THE POPULATION HAS ELECTED A MODERATE ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT MEANS A MODERATE ISLAMIST GOVERNMENT AND THE SITUATIONS ARE CHANGING. WHAT IS TODAY WILL NOT BE IN FIVE YEARS TIME. THE TURKISH POPULATION IS IN A MAJORITY VERY STRONGLY LINKED, ATTACHED TO ITS ISLAMIC TRADITION AND FOR SEVERAL REASONS I THINK IT WILL BRING THE SUICIDE OF EUROPE, THE DESTRUCTION OF EUROPE, BECAUSE ALSO ECONOMICALLY EUROPE HAS A HUGE PROBLEM OF UNEMPLOYMENT AND CONSTANT IMMIGRATION INTO EUROPE WILL DESTROY -- FIRST IT WILL DESTROY IT THE SOCIAL STRUCTURE OF A CULTURE, WHICH IS NEEDS TO HAVE HOMOJE NAYY. WHEN YOU BRING ANOTHER CULTURE, WHICH IS VERY STRONG AND VERY AFFIRMATIVE INTO A SOCIETY WHICH IS ALREADY DISLOCATED, YOU DESTROY TOTALLY AND, THEREFORE, I THINK THAT THE ENTRY OF TURKEY IN EUROPE IS THE END OF EUROPE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR AMERICA.
01:07:56	>>	GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M A FREELANCE WRITER. I HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. YOU RIGHTLY POINTED THAT MOST OF THE ANTI-AMERICANISM AND ANTI-ISRAEL POLICIES COME FROM LEADERS AND ACADEMIA, AND THAT THE BASE IS NOT SO ANTI-AMERICAN. I MEAN, ARE YOU SURE YOU HAVE IT THAT THE GRASSROOTS LEVEL IS NOT HAPPENING IN EUROPE? UNFORTUNATELY, ONLY THE FAR RIGHT TAKES THE DEFENSE OF JUDEOCHRISTIANS -- LET'S PUT IT -- CHRISTIAN VALUES AND GETTING 20% OF THE VOTE IN FRANCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MAJOR SHOCK FOR CHIRAC TO HAVE HIM CHANGE THE POLICIES. DO YOU SEE ANY LEADERS GOING TO THAT LEVEL AND TAKING THE DEFENSE OF EUROPEAN VALUES AND MAKING IT AS A PLATFORM? I MEAN, IN HOLLAND, THEY HAD -- UNFORTUNATELY, SOMEONE WAS KILLED, BUT THAT WAS HIS PLAN. THE DUTCH ARE LOOKING LIKE THEY'RE REACTING TO DEATH AND THEY'RE TAKING VERY MORE STRINGENT LAWS ON IMMIGRATION AND ISSUES LIKE THAT. DO YOU HAVE HOPE ON A REAL AWAKENING OF THE EUROPEAN MAN OF THE STREET? WELL, THE EUROPEAN MAN OF THE STREET IS VERY AWAKENED TO THOSE PROBLEMS. HE'S VERY -- KNOWS THEM VERY WELL. BUT IT IS NOT THE EUROPEAN MAN OF THE STREET WHO CAN DO ANYTHING. HE CAN ONLY ACT IN A CERTAIN WAY AND THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. SHOULD BE A POLITICAL -- POLITICALLY OPERATED WAY, A HUMAN WAY OF DEALING WITH SUCH A PROBLEM. NOW, THE QUESTION IS CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM? PERSONALLY, I THINK NO. I THINK IT IS TOO LATE. AND THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE. IN RELATION TO THIS PROBLEM. BECAUSE THE IMMIGRATION WILL CONTINUE. NOW WE SEE WITH TURKEY. BUT ALSO WITH OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE MEDITERRANEAN. AND THE POLICY CANNOT CHANGE FOR SEVERAL REASONS. WE HAVE ADVANCED TOO FAR. WE HAVE TOO BIG ISLAMIC POPULATION IN EUROPE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL ALL THAT. AND WHICH REFUSES TO INTEGRATE. IF THE IMMIGRATION HAD HAPPENED SLOWLY BY LITTLE BIT AND THE POPULATION -- THE IMMIGRATION COULD HAVE BEEN INTEGRATED BUT WITHIN THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE ARABS AND EUROPEANS, THE NONINTEGRATION WAS A PART OF THIS AGREEMENT. THE ARABS WERE ACCEPTED ON THE BASIS THAT THEY WOULD NOT INTEGRATE, THAT THEY WILL KEEP THEIR RULES, THEIR TRADITIONS, AND THEIR LINK WITH ARAB COUNTRIES. SO, THIS IS WHY THEY HAVE NOT INTEGRATED. NOW, ABOUT THE CHANGE AND -- I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN CHANGE, BECAUSE ALSO, THERE WILL NOT BE A STOP TO IMMIGRATION. NOW, THE CHIEF DECLARED THAT IF HE WAS ELECTED, HE WILL STOP IMMIGRATION. AND THE LABOR PARTY, HE CANNOT STOP IMMIGRATION, BECAUSE THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES, THE EUROPEAN UNION, HAVE SIGNED AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD NOT CONTROL IMMIGRATION. AND THIS IS ALSO IN THE PROJECT OF THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND THE CIVILIZATION. AND THEY HAVE SIGNED THIS AGREEMENT NOT TO STOP IMMIGRATION. SO, WE SEE THERE IS A CONTRADICTION MANY THE EUROPEAN DECLARATIONS, EUROPEAN LEADERS' DECLARATION, ONCE THEY SAY THAT THEY WILL STOP IMMIGRATION, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY DO NOT SOP IMMIGRATION. AND, ALSO, THEY SIGN TEXT THAT WILL FORBID THE STOPPING OF IMMIGRATION. IF BRITAIN WILL TRY TO STOP IMMIGRATION, IT WILL BE ATTACKED BY THE EUROPEAN UNION. SO, THIS IS ALSO A PROBLEM. THE LAWS THAT WERE SIGNED WITHIN THE EUROPEAN UNION IN RELATION TO THIS PROBLEM.
01:13:22	>>	HELLO. MY NAME IS CARL STOLE. ALL IN ALL, I THINK SOME OF THE VIEWPOINTS YOU'VE EXPRESSED ARE RATHER EXTREME. JUST FROM ONE POINT, I LIVED IN EUROPE FROM THE 1970'S AND 1980'S, AND I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY DEMONIZATION OF ISRAEL. BUT THAT'S A VERY LONG DISCUSSION. THE POINT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS THIS IDENTIFICATION YOU MADE BETWEEN IMMIGRATION FROM ARAB COUNTRIES AND ISLAM. 10% OF THE POPULATION OF EGYPT IS CHRIS TAN. -- CHRISTIAN. CAN'T IMMIGRATION OF EGYPTIAN CHRISTIANS BE FERMENTED IN ORDER TO PREVENT THIS TOTAL MONOPOLY OF ISLAM OR THE ISLAMIC OVER THE EUROPEAN IMMIGRANT POPULATION?
01:14:14	>>	I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND -- I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEANT BY THE CHRISTIANS --
01:14:18	>>	I'M SAYING THAT IMMIGRATION FROM ARAB COUNTRIES TO EUROPEAN COUNTRIES DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ISLAMIC IMMIGRATION. IT COULD ALSO BE CHRISTIAN
01:14:27	>>	YES. YES. I WILL ANSWER ABOUT THE CHRISTIANS AND THE ISRAELIS. WELL, OF COURSE ANYONE CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT, BUT WHEN IN EUROPE IT IS CLEARLY STATED BY POLITICIANS THAT ISRAEL HAS NO RIGHT TO EXIST, THIS IS ANTI-SEMITIC BECAUSE IT IS BASED ON ANTI-SEMITIC VIEW OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL, WHICH HAS NOT THE RIGHT TO ITS OWN SOVEREIGN EXPRESSION AND INDEPENDENCE, BUT MUST CONTINUE TO BE A SLAVE AMONG THE NATIONS, OR THE PEOPLE AND ISLAMIC -- AND ISLAMIC OPPRESSION. SO, ONE -- WHEN THERE IS A POLICY THAT LEADS TO THE DEMONIZATION OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND OF THE NAME OF AN APARTHEID, AND OCCUPATION ENTITY, THIS IS ANTI-SEMITISM AND IT HAS BEEN DECLARED SO BY THE REPORT WHICH IS -- WHICH WAS GIVEN TO THE FRENCH GOVERNMENT, WHICH SAID THAT IF ISRAEL IS CALLED THOSE NAMES WHICH APPEAR ALL THE TIME IN ALL THE PRESS AND IS MENTIONED, THOSE WHO CALL THE STATE OF ISRAEL BY THOSE NAMES ARE RACIST AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED AS RACIST AND ANTI-SEMITIC. NOW, IN EUROPE, WE HAD SEVERAL -- SEVERAL CONFERENCE ON ANTI-SEMITISM IN EUROPE. THE FACT THAT ISRAELI IS -- ISRAEL IS SEEN AS AN ELEMENT THAT PREVENTS A EURO ARAB RECONCILIATION AN CHRISTIAN-MUSLIM RECONCILIATION, THAT THIS IS LINKED TO THE NAZI VIEW WHICH MAKE THE JEWS AS THE SYMBOL OF EVIL, OF ALL EVIL IN THE WORLD. NOW, WHEN READING THE EUROPEAN PAPERS, YOU SEE THAT THE STATE OF ISRAEL IS MADE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS OF TERRORISM AND OF WARS IN THE WORLD. SO, ALL THOSE ELEMENTS ARE USUALLY CONSIDERED AS ANTI-SEMITIC BY PEOPLE WHO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM. NOW, ABOUT THE IMCOMBRATIONS -- IMMIGRATIONS OF CHRISTIANS IN EUROPE. WE HAVE, YES, A NEW IMMIGRATION OF CHRISTIANS, AND I CONSIDER THAT A VERY SAD PHENOMENON. ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT. BECAUSE I CONSIDER, FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE THOSE POPULATIONS. I HAVE A GREAT ADMIRATION FOR THEIR STEADFAST TO OPPRESSION, TO DISCRIMINATION, TO POLICIES AGAINST THEM. AND I CONSIDER THAT THROUGH THE NEGLECT OF THEIR INTELLECT BY THE WESTERN WORLD, THEY ARE OBLIGED TO LEAVE THEIR LANDS, THEIR TRADITIONAL CULTURE, THEIR CHURCHES, THEIR CEMETERIES. A WAYS THAT HAS BEEN PRECEDED BY THE EXODUS OF JEWS FROM ARAB COUNTRIES. AND I THINK THAT IT IS A GREAT TRAGEDY THAT THOSE ARAB COUNTRIES WILL BECOME MORE DEMONIZED BY THE ENEMY NATION OF THOSE POPULATIONS THAT COULD HAVE HAD A VERY GOOD INFLUENCE ON ISLAMIC REFUSAL OF THE OTHERS ON EQUAL TERMS. I ALWAYS CONSIDERED THAT THE ROLE OF THE CHRISTIANS IN THE ARAB COUNTRIES WAS TO MAKE THE MUSLIMS MORE AMENABLE TO THE OTHER, TO ACCEPT THE OTHER, TO ACCEPT THE CHRISTIANS, AND BY CONSEQUENCE, THE JEWS, ON EQUAL TERMS WITH THEM, AND, THEREFORE, TO ABANDON THEIR FANATIC VISIONS OF SUPREMACIES AND ITS PEOPLE.
01:19:42	>>	THANK YOU.
01:19:46	>>	SBRER PRESS SERVICE. I HAD -- INTERPRESS SERVICE. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, MAYBE 2 1/2. HOW DIFFERENT IS THIS PHENOMENON OF MUSLIM INTEGRATION INTO EUROPE FROM THE PHENOMENON OF LATIN IMMIGRATION FROM MEXICO, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, AND SO ON, INTO THE UNITED STATES? AND IF THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT SOMEHOW IT'S DIRECTED BY GEOSTRATEGIC INTERESTS, AS I THINK YOU SUGGESTED IN YOUR PRESENTATION, WHO PRECISELY IN THE NAME OF SPECIFIC LEADERS, EITHER IN GOVERNMENT OR OUTSIDE GOVERNMENT, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DIRECTING THE GEO-- THE IMMIGRATION FOR GEOSTRATEGIC PURPOSES? AND THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD IS, IF THE E.U. IS SO TIED NOW TO THE ARABIAN AXIS, WHY WOULD THEY IN THE LAST TWO YEARS ADMIT ISRAEL INTO THE EUROPEAN CAUCUS, THE UNITED NATIONS? THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE DELIBERATELY DIRECT YOU HAVE OF THE ARABIAN CONCEPT.
01:21:03	>>	THE CONCEPT OF IMMIGRATION IS NOTHING -- NOTHING WRONG. THE QUESTION IS, IF THE POPULATIONS THAT IMMIGRATE WANT TO INTEGRATE INTO A GIVEN SOCIETY OR IF THEY IMMIGRATE WITH THE AIM OF DESTROYING IT, WELL, THE POPULATIONS THAT ACCEPT THE IMMIGRATION HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR OWN VALUES AND TO LIVE ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN INSTITUTIONS AND OWN RULES. AND THEY HAVE TO BE OBLIGED TO CHANGE THEM IN ORDER TO INTEGRATE A FOREIGN POPULATION THAT DON'T WANT TO INTEGRATE, BUT WANT TO DESTROY THIS CIVILIZATION. HENCE, IF MUSLIMS, AND THERE ARE MANY MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO INTEGRATE INTO OUR SOCIETY, WANT TO COME, IT'S FINE, BUT IF THEY WANT TO DESTROY BY REPLACING IT WITH ANOTHER SOCIETY, THAT NEGATES, FOR INSTANCE, THAT CHRISTIANITY -- THE FACT THAT JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE NOT LINKED TOGETHER AND ARE OLDER THAN ISLAM, WE CHANGE OUR WHOLE THEOLOGICAL VISION OF WHAT WE ARE, BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE -- THEREFORE, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MUSLIM. SO, THESE ARE ALL RELATED QUESTIONS TO THE MUSLIM IMMIGRATION AND CULTURE AND THEOLOGY WHICH HAS TO BE EXPLAINED. NOW, ABOUT YOUR OTHER QUESTIONS, PEOPLE WHO PLAN THIS POLICY, IT WAS -- IT STARTED WITH WILLY BRANTT.
01:23:16	>>	THE ARABS DECIDED BY IMMIGRATION, WHICH ARAB LEADER TOLD THE PEOPLE TO GO THERE?
01:23:23	>>	WELL, IT IS DIFFICULT TO KNOW SINCE THERE WERE PROBLEMS AND MANY STRONG SEVERE ECONOMIC PROBLEMS IN THE MUSLIM COUNTRIES. AND, THEREFORE, IT IS NOBLE THAT THE MUSLIM WOULD LIKE TO IMMIGRATE FOR -- JUST TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE, TO HAVE SOME NORMAL LIFE THERE, TO WORK, TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THEIR ECONOMIC STANDARD. BUT THERE ARE ALSO THOSE WHO ALWAYS CONSIDERED THE WEST AS A LAND FOR CONQUEST. AND, THEREFORE, WE SEE IN THE ISLAMIC SUMMIT, SECOND ISLAMIC SUMMIT, IN 1974, WHERE THIS ASPECT OF ISLAMIC CONQUEST OF THE WEST IS ALSO MENTIONED. AND YOU CAN FIND THIS IN MY BOOK, THIS TEXT FROM THE ISLAMIC SUMMIT. SO, THOSE ARE THE REASONS, AND CERTAINLY THE ARAB LEADERS HAVE PROMOTED THIS IMMIGRATION INTO EUROPE, BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ THE AGREEMENTS, THERE ARE -- THEY ARE PROTECTING THE MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS AND THEY KNOW THAT THIS IMMIGRATION WILL CONTINUE. AND ON WHICH CONDITIONS.
01:25:17	>>	HOW COME ISRAEL WAS AT THE EUROPEAN AND OTHER BLOC AT THE U.N.?
01:25:23	>>	YES, SO HOW -- WELL, WHEN YOU READ THE TEXT, FOR INSTANCE, OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENTARY ASSOCIATION FOR EURO-ARAB COOPERATIONS, WHICH IS A VERY STRONG BODY, REPRESENTED IN EVERY EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT, AND WHICH REPRESENTS THE INTERESTS OF THE ARAB COUNTRIES, THIS BODY IS SAYING THAT IN FACT EUROPE SHOULD USE THE POLICY OF -- STICK WITH ISRAEL, OFFER SOMETHING TO ISRAEL BUT, IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. SO, THE THIS POLICY OF BEING IN ISRAEL IN -- FIRST OF ALL, ISRAEL IS PART OF THE PARLIAMENTARY -- OF THE PARTNERSHIP, MEDITERRANEAN PARTNERSHIP. BUT IT IS ALWAYS PRESENT THERE. IT'S CONDITIONAL TO ITS ACCEPTANCE TO THE OSLO AGREEMENT. IT IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHICH IS ACCEPTED ON CONDITIONS. SO, YOU HAVE ALL THE ARAB COUNTRIES WHICH ARE PART OF THE EUROPEAN -- OF THE MEDITERRANEAN -- MEDITERRANEAN PARTNERSHIP, BUT NO PRESSURE IS EXERCISED ON THOSE COUNTRIES, FOR INSTANCE, NO PRESSURE IS EXERCISED ON SYRIA, ALTHOUGH SYRIA IS PART FROM THE PARTNERSHIP AND ALSO ON OTHER ARAB COUNTRIES, FOR INSTANCE, IN EGYPT, WHICH DEVELOP A RACIST ANTI-JEWISH CAMPAIGN. SO, THIS ELEMENT FAVORABLE TO ISRAEL STRONGLY CONDEMNED INSIDE THIS PARLIAMENTARY ASSOCIATION, WHICH HAS DEMAND ALSO THAT UNDER ARAB COUNTRIES, THERE IS ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL BOYCOTT AGAINST ISRAEL. AND, IN FACT, ECONOMIC AND CULTURAL BOYCOTT WAS IMPORT IN ENGLAND, IN SOME LEARNING ACADEMIA, AND THEN OTHER PLACES ALSO IN FRANCE. SO WE SEE HOW THIS IS APPLIED IN RELATION TO ISRAEL, ARE
01:28:07	>>	THANK YOU. I'M AT THE UNITED NATIONS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, DAVID LIPMAN OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR WARD EDUCATION. AND JUST A SMALL POINT, THEN I LEAVE IT TO THE MINISTER FROM THE ISRAELI EMBASSY TO RELY AS TO THE RELATION BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE UNITED NATIONS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I DON'T SEE IT WHEN I'M THERE. WE WILL HAVE THE USUAL SEVEN TO EIGHT RESOLUTIONS AGAINST ISRAEL DURING THE COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS. USUALLY, ONLY WHEN THE RESOLUTION IS TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS WILL THE EUROPEANS ABSTAIN. IT IS VERY RARE THAT THE EUROPEANS JOIN THE UNITED STATES TO VOTE AGAINST. BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT I WISH TO ASK. BUT EUROPE WILL BE COMING TO THE UNITED NATIONS FOR A SPECIAL CONFERENCE THAT WILL TAKE PLACE ALONG THE LINES THAT SOMEONE JUST SAID SOMEONE MUST SPEAK OUT. THE EDUCATION OF WORLD CITIZENS AND THE INTERNATIONAL HUMANIST AND ETHICAL UNION WILL BE HOLING A ONE-DAY SEX DURING THE SIXTH WEEK OF THE COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS ON THE FOLLOWING -- JIHAD AND ITS VICTIMS, MUSLIMS, APOSTATES, AND DEMIS AND WOMEN. AND WE WILL HAVE THE TO BE ARABIST IN HOLLAND WHOSE FRIEND WAS KILLED. JOHANS JOHNSSON, AND THERE IT WILL BE POSSIBLE DURING THAT SESSION TO SPEAK OUT, BUT WHAT STRIKES ME -- AND I WANT TO GIVE THIS EXAMPLE BECAUSE THE -- JERUSALEM CENTER FOR MONITORING THE IMPACT OF EUROPEAN PEACE, HAS BROUGHT OUT TWO REPORTS. WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN SAUDI ARABIA AND IN EGYPT AND ESPECIALLY ON THINGS LIKE HOW TO CUT OFF A HEAD, AND WHEN WE RAISED THIS IN A WRITTEN STATEMENT, THE ASSOCIATION OF WARD EDUCATION, AND IF I WERE TO READ YOU THE PASSAGE, WHEN YOU MEET THEM IN ORDER TO FIGHT THEM -- THIS IS BEING TAUGHT IN EGYPTIAN SCHOOLS -- IF I WERE TO READ YOU WHAT WAS BEING TAUGHT IN THE SAUDI ARABIAN SCHOOLS, YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IN THE MOSQUES BEING PREACHED, WHICH IS DENOUNCED BY FREEDOM HOUSE IS ONE THING. WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS IN THESE COUNTRIES IS QUITE ANOTHER. DO NOT BE SEIZED BY COMPASSION TOWARDS THEM, BUT STRIKE THEIR NECKS POWERFULLY, AND STRIKING THE NECK MEANS FIGHTING BECAUSE KILLING A PERSON IS OFTEN DONE BY STRIKING OFF HIS HEAD. THIS EXPRESSION CONTAINS A HARSHNESS AND EMPHASIS THAT ARE NOT FOUND IN THE WORLD KILLED, BECAUSE KILLED IS CUTTING THE NECK AND MAKING THE ORGAN, THE HEAD OF THE BODY, FLY OFF THE BODY. NOW, THISES, PLUS ANOTHER STATEMENT REFERRING -- I WON'T READ IT -- TO A KORANIC STATEMENT ATTRIBUTED TO MOHAMMED WAS PUT INTO A DOCUMENT AND WAS CONSIDERED BY PAKISTAN REPRESENTING 56 MUSLIM STATES AT THE SUBCOMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS, SPEAKING OF AUGUST OF LAST YEAR, AS A DEFAMATION OF ISLAM. IN OTHER WORDS, EVEN TEACHING IN EGYPTIAN SCHOOLS HOW TO CUT OFF A HEAD OF INFIDELS, YOU REFER TO THE OTHER, THE WHOLE OF THE TEACHING IS NOT ALONG THESE LINES. SO, MY QUESTION IS -- HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONVEY THIS IMPORTANT LESSON IN EDUCATION WHEN EVEN IN THE UNITED NATIONS THE COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS, NO MUSLIM AMBASSADOR WILL -- NO ONE OUT OF 56 WILL EVER DO OTHER THAN CONDEMN TERRORISM, WILL NEVER CONDEMN THIS CUTTING OFF OF THE NECK, WHICH WILL IMPLY A KORANIC APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL? AND OUR POINT IS THAT THIS CAN ONLY BE SOLVED BY THE MUSLIMS THEMSELVES, AND HOW CAN THIS IMPORTANCE OF -- NOW, THE LAST POINT, THERE'S A DEFAMATION OF RELIGIONS RESOLUTIONS THAT WAS PUSHED THROUGH BY THE SAME ORGANIZATION OF THE ISLAMIC CONFERENCE. AND THIS RESOLUTION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEFAMATION OF ISLAM. THE EUROPEANS COULD NOT SWALLOW THAT. IT BECAME DEFAMATION OF RELIGIONS, BUT ONLY ISLAM IS MENTIONED. AND WHEN WE TRIED DESPERATELY TO INVOKE ONE LITTLE SENTENCE THAT VIOLENCE AND THE KILLING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, OR GOD, IS UNACCEPTABLE, THIS COULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THIS RESOLUTION. SO, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AT THE YATIONS TO CONVINCE THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THERE THAT PROGRESS CAN BE MADE? THANK YOU.
01:33:12	>>	ONE OF THE REASONS OF THIS TABOO -- SOCIETY IN WHICH WE LIVE IS THE THE ISLAMIC BLASSFLEEMO WHICH IMPOSE DEATH, UPON ANYONE, MUSLIM UPON MUSLIMS, WHO CRITICIZE THE KORAN. AND THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM FOR MUSLIM LEADER AND MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO CHANGE AND MODERNIZE ISLAM. IT IS ALSO A PROBLEM FOR EUROPEAN INTELLECTUALS. IT IS SAID THAT WE CANNOT EVEN MENTION DEATH IN THE KORAN, WHICH IMPLICATES A NEGATIVE -- A NEGATIVE INTERPRETATION. THIS IS WHY IT IS CONSIDERED A BLASPHEMY. WE SHOULD -- WE CAN QUOTE IT WITHOUT PRAISING IT, NOT WITH THE INTENTION OF CRITICIZING IT. BECAUSE THEN IT FALLS UNDER THE BLASSMY LAW. -- BLASPHEMY LAWS. MANY CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED BECAUSE OF THE BLASPHEMY LAWS IN PAKISTAN, IN EGYPTIAN, AND KNOW ONE CASE AND ALSO THEY ARE VERY COURAGEOUS AND A WOMAN. AND THIS LAW -- THIS BLASPHEMY LAW TOTALLY OPPOSE -- IS OPPOSED AND CONTRADICT TO OUR WESTERN VIEW OF FREEDOM OF RELIGION, BECAUSE IN ISLAM YOU CANNOT CHANGE FROM ISLAM TO ANOTHER RELIGION. IT'S CONTRADICT OUR VIEW OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, FREEDOM OF OPINION. IN THE U.N., WHERE THERE IS A MASSIVE MUSLIM PRESENCE BECAUSE THERE ARE 56 STATES, MUSLIM STATES, THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY, WHICH WILL BECOME A STATE WHICH WILL MAKE 57, THEY CARRY THE AUTHORITY. AND LIKE ALSO, FOR INSTANCE, IT WILL BE THE SAME IN THE INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL. AND I AM ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF AMERICA REFUSING TO ADHERE TO THIS INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL BECAUSE IT WILL JUDGE FACTS ACCORDING TO ISLAMMIST OR JIHADDIST VALUE. AND NOT ACCORDING TO OUR VALUES THAT WE HAVE AND SINCE THERE WOULD BE AUTOMATIC DIDN'T AN AUTOMATIC MAJORITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EUROPEANS. SO, AMERICA IS SURE TO LOSE. THIS WILL NOT BE OBJECTIVE BUT A WAY TO IMPLEMENT AN ISLAMIC VISION, AN ISLAMIC SENSE OF JUSTICE OVER THE WORLD. AND ABOUT THE THE B AND ABOUT THE BLASPHEMY LAW -- OF COURSE, VERY, VERY COURAGEOUS PEOPLE. THIS BATTLE IS NOT IN AMERICA, BUT WE SEE IT STRONGLY IN EUROPE. THERE ARE SO MANY COURAGEOUS PEOPLE WHO FIGHT, AND THEY MAKE NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN RELIGION. I SPEAK ABOUT THOSE MUSLIMS AND NON-MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, JEWS, OTHERS WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR THE UNIVERSAL VALUES OF RESPECT OF THE HUMAN BEING AND FOR -- AND FOR THE RESPECT OF THE FREEDOM OF -- OF HUMAN BEING. AND THIS ISSUE WILL COME IN GENEVA THE SAME. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO LEAVE CONTINUOUSLY UNDER THE PROTECTION OF GOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO SUBMIT TO TERRORISM, INTELLECTUALIST TERRORISM. AND WE, ESPECIALLY THE AMERICANS, DON'T KNOW THIS PROBLEM YET. AND I HOPE THEY WOULD NOT KNOW IT. THEY HAVE TO ADMIRE THIS PERSON BECAUSE THEY ARE OUR BEST ALLIES.
01:38:14	>>	THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS MORE THAN THE TALK. AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR BOTH OF THEM. AND FOR THE BRAVE WORK THAT YOU WERE DOING IN TRYING TO RAISE THIS THESIS AND TO ALERT PEOPLE TO A MAJOR PROBLEM FACING EUROPE AND THE WORLD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
01:38:44	>>	THANK YOU.
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