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COMING UP NEXT, BookTV PRESENTS AFTER WORDS, AN HOUR-LONG DISCUSSION BETWEEN A GUEST HOST AND THE... |
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WELCOME TO BookTV. I'M PETE HEGSETH, CHAIRMAN AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTER OF VETS FOR FREEDOM, THE LARGEST... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PETE. |
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IT'S GREAT. .. DECODING AND NON-PROFIT AND TO MILITARY EDUCATION IS TO HELP US AS AMERICANS UNDERSTAND... |
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ABSOLUTELY. AND I ASSURE YOU HAVE SEEN MANY OF THEM ON YOUR TRIPS OVER THERE. |
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I HAVE TO SAY IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST HUMBLING AND EXCITING EXPERIENCE TO GO INTO A THEATER OF WAR... |
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IN SOUTHERN BAGHDAD RIGHT IN THE HEART OF IT WE WILL GET TO THAT CERTAINLY OVER THE COURSE OF THIS... |
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I WAS AN EARLY SUPPORTER OF THE THE SURGE AND AS I BEGAN TO WATCH THE POLITICS HERE IN D.C. AND UNDERSTAND... |
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I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE BUT HAVING READ IT. YOU CAN GET CAUGHT UP IN STATISTICS... |
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OVER THE COURSE OF 2006, BECAUSE THE VIOLENCE AND I RASK WAS ESCALATING AND BECAUSE THE MILITARY OPERATIONS... |
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I GUESSED SOMETIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE TIME LINE. PEOPLE ASSOCIATE PETRAEUS AND THE SURGE AND... |
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THAT IS A QUESTION I AM NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER. BUT WHY WOULD SAY IS IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE... |
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NOW YOU MENTIONED FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND IT WELL, THE SURGE IS MORE THAN INCREASING... |
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IT IS MORE THAN THE SURGE BY AN EXTRA STUCK WITH IT BECAUSE DEBATE COULD CHANGE IN STRATEGY AND CHANGE... |
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TALK TO THE GENERAL ODIERNO BECAUSE I THINK THAT HE PERSONIFIES IN MANY WAYS THE SHIFT OF MILITARY... |
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I THINK GENERAL ODIERNO WAS CLEARLY A LEARNING GENERAL AND IS EXCEPTIONALLY AGILE AND THE WAY THAT... |
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AND I THINK WITHIN THAT, MUCH OF WHAT IS MISUNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE SURGE IS IT WAS CHANGING COUNTERINSURGENCY... |
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THE SURGE WAS NOT ONLY INCREASE IN FORCES BUT A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE IN STRATEGY. BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST... |
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I WOULD LIKE TO. WE ARE GOING TO DELVE INTO ONE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET THE SCOOP ON IT BUT... |
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I THINK WE IN THE UNITED STATES FROM READING THE PRESS HAD THE IMPRESSION THAT A LOT OF VIOLENCE IN... |
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YOU MENTIONED THE IVORY AND INFLUENCE. YOU HAVE A CHAPTER IN THE BOOK ABOUT THE IRONY AND PROXY WAR.... |
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THAT IS REALLY A WAY TO THE GREAT QUESTION, PETE COME AND AN UNCERTAIN SINCE YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE... |
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SPEAKING OF AL QAEDA AND ITS INFILTRATION, I WANT TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIVE INTO ONE OF THESE... |
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THE STORY OF RASHID, WHICH IS IN THE SOUTHERN BAGHDAD, IS A FASCINATING STORY. AND NO ONE STORY IS... |
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HOW MANY PEOPLE? |
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I CAN'T REMEMBER -- |
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I WAS THINKING 700,000 -- TO GIVE PEOPLE AN UNDERSTANDING. |
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IT IS A DENSE POPULATION. ON THE WEST SIDE OF HIS NEIGHBORHOOD THERE WERE SHIA POCKETS AS WELL AS... |
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I WOULD BE RATHER OCCUPIED BY THE BANKERS AND POLITICIANS. |
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EXACTLY. EXACTLY. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THERE IS A SIZABLE PIECE OF TERRAIN. AND AL QAEDA HAD... |
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AND CASUALTY'S WENT UP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SURGE. WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR MINUTES BEFORE WE GO... |
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PRECISELY, BECAUSE OUR TROOPS HAD TO GO INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, SUCH AS DORA, THAT HAD BEEN HELD BY THE... |
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FIGHT THEIR WAY IN. |
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-- TO REMOVE THE SANCTUARY ENEMY AND THEN STAYED |
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YOU TALK ABOUT STUDYING AND PROTECTING THE POPULATION AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE CONCEPTUAL FRONT.... |
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I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT MY FORMER CADET, NOW A MAJOR JIM KURZY AND ONE OF THE FOLKS AT THE INSTITUTE... |
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WHICH TO BRING IT FULL CIRCLE THERE WAS INCREASE IN KINETIC ACTIVITY BECAUSE OF THAT INTELLIGENCE,... |
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PRECISELY. ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IN DOING THE INTERVIEWS THAT I'VE DONE FOR A DOCUMENTARY ON... |
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INTERESTING. GREAT STUFF. AS WE KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THE DYNAMICS TO THE SURGE WHETHER IT IS... |
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"AFTER WORDS" AND OVERSEAS AND PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD AT PODCAST. IS IT BOOKTV.ORG. ... |
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"AFTER WORDS" WITH KIMBERLY KAGN AND PETE HEGSETH CONTINUES. |
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AND WE ARE BACK TO BOOKTV. HERE WITH DR. KIMBERLY KAGAN, AUTHOR OF "THE SURGE: A MILITARY HISTORY,"... |
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I HAVE A PRIVILEGE TRAVELING TO DORA BOTH MADE OF 2007, WHILE AL QAEDA WAS STILL IN ITS SANCTUARY... |
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THAT IS OFTENTIMES WHAT GETS LOST AND SO MUCH AS IT AND KEEPS PEOPLE LIKE ME AND YOU SO PASSIONATE... |
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AND A LOT OF THESE SUNNIS WERE THERE, PRECISELY BECAUSE OF WHERE U.S. FORCES CAME IN AND PROTECTED... |
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AN INTERESTING COUNTER ARGUMENT TO THE BELIEF MORE TROOPS EQUALS MORE VIOLENCE. IN FACT, MORE TROOPS... |
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FASCINATING QUESTION. THE FIRST THING TO KNOW AS EACH GROUP HAD SIGNATURE WEAPONS AND SIGNATURE TACTICS... |
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SHORE, WHICH IT CERTAINLY DOES, BECAUSE I KNOW WHEN I WAS THERE, WHEN YOU ARE DRIVING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS... |
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THE ANBAR AWAKENING WAS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT AND DID BEGIN BEFORE THE SURGE FORCES. BUT I THINK IT'S... |
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INTERESTING. BECAUSE AS YOU NOTE IN THE BOOK, TOO, ANBAR TRIBES HAVE RISEN BEFORE. OTHER TRIBES HAVE... |
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YEAH, HE DID, GENERAL PETRAEUS DID COME AND GENERAL ODIERNO LOOKED ON WHAT WAS GOING ON IN NORTHERN... |
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I KNOW THERE WERE SOME SIGNS OF IRAQ OR CONCERNED LOCAL CITIZENS FROM THE AND WERE WEAKENING WHO WERE... |
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THERE WERE AREAS WHERE THE SHIA MILITIAS WERE INTIMIDATING THE SHIA POPULATION. AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE,... |
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SPEAKING OF THE SHIA IRAN AS, MUQTADA AL-SADR GETS WORD OF THIS IMPENDING SURGE OF POTENTIALLY NEW... |
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THIS A GREAT QUESTION, PETE. BEFORE WE SAY THAT MUQTADA AL-SADR HAD HIS MILITIA AND DOWN HIS ARMS,... |
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I THINK THAT MALIKI AND WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DECISION TO TAKE ON MUQTADA AL-SADR. AND THAT POLICY... |
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SO THESE OCCUR, THE SURGE WRAPS UP. WHAT IS THE TOP LINE EFFECT OF THE SURGE AFTER IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED?... |
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I WAS JUST IN IRAQ IN WHICH JULY 2009 AND THERE WAS A THERE WERE ZERO ATTACKS IN IRAQ AND I THINK THAT... |
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GOING FORWARD HAVING JUST BEEN THERE, WHAT DO YOU SEE NOW BEING THE GREATEST THREAT TO IRAQI STABILITY?... |
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THE FUTURE OF IRAQ IS IN QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH POLITICAL DEBATE WITHIN IRAQ ABOUT WHAT... |
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WHAT A GREAT THING WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POLITICS OF IRAQ RATHER THAN THE BATTLEFIELD OF IRAQ.... |
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LET'S START BY RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE IMPORT DIFFERENCES BETWEEN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. FIRST, THAT... |
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HAVE WE DONE THAT IN AFGHANISTAN? |
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NO, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT AT LARGE IN AFGHANISTAN. THERE ARE SMALL UNITS IN PLACES WHERE THAT'S BEEN... |
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ONE TO TAKE DOWN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT POINTS REGARDING AFGHANISTAN. WE WILL START WITH THE AFGHAN... |
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THAT WILL REQUIRE A CHANGE OF POLICY. I THINK THAT COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND IN AFGHANISTAN ARE TRYING... |
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THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT I WANT TO MENTION, KIMBERLY KAGN AND PETE UNDERSTANDINGWAR.ORG, YOU ARE... |
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PROBABLY NOT. |
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HOW MANY DO WE NEED? |
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THAT I DO NOT KNOW, AND I'M THANKFUL THAT GENERAL MCCHRYSTAL HAS A TEAM ASSESSING THIS TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT... |
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WE HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS. PERIOD QUESTION, NOT EASY TO ANSWER AND I AM NOT PRESUMING THAT WE HAVE... |
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YES, I THINK WE CAN WIN IN AFGHANISTAN BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE FACING IS AN INSURGENCY, AND IT IS -- IT... |
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I WOULD SAY TO WRAP UP I LIKE THE TITLE OF THE BOOK, "THE SURGE: A MILITARY HISTORY," AND SPECIFICALLY... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
