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WELCOME TO THE 48 INSTITUTE ON ETHICS IN JOURNALISM IN WASHINGTON. MY NAME IS EDWARD, I HOLD THE NINTH... |
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THANK YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? ARE WE GOOD? IT IS ALWAYS NICE TO VISIT. THERE ARE FEW PARTS OF THE WORLD... |
| 00:24:17 |
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HE TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU RECOGNIZE THE IMPACT BE MADE ON IN THE JOURNALISM AS A PILL. -- YOU TAUGHT... |
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FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT IS THE SENATE I'VE TALKED ABOUT MUCH. THE MOST PAINFUL PART OF IT FOR ME... |
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NO. IT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH A FUND I WAS PERSONALLY AM. -- FOG THAT I WAS PERSONALLY AM. WHEN IT... |
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IN MY NOTION OF HELPING PEOPLE WAS HELPING THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH. THIS KIND OF RELEVANT TO THE QUESTION... |
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YOU WERE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF. |
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P.S. BILYES. |
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YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE CLIMBING THE LADDER. YOU DID BEEN VERY FAR CAREER WISE. -- YOU DID ADVANCED... |
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SOME HAS TO DO WITH INTERNAL STUFF. I CAN ONLY SPECULATE ABOUT IT. WHY ONE INDIVIDUAL EDITOR'S WARNINGhMIY... |
| 00:32:44 |
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YOU MUST RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE HAS CAUSED PARTICULARLY INJURIES TO BLACK JOURNALISTS. ... |
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THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. THAT HARM HAS DONE BY COVERED IN, AND THE OTHERS HAD MADE. I CANNOT PREDICT... |
| 00:35:13 |
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU USE THE TERM BABY STEPS. HOW IS IT THAT YOU USE THE TERM BABY STEPS... |
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THAT WAS THE RUNNING PART. THAT WAS NOT THE BEGINNING. THE BABY STEPS STARTED LONG BEFORE THEM. |
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WHY DID YOU RECOGNIZE THAT? |
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IT IS NOT THAT I DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE. WHY DID I NOT STOP? I DO NOT KNOW. IF I WERE TO ANSWER -- THIS... |
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YOU DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT AS A BIG CHOICE? |
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IT IS INTERESTING TO PUT IT THAT WAY. IT IS LIKE EROSION, SLOWLY COMPROMISING YEAR. YOU KNOW IT IS... |
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THERE ARE MANY POINTS WHERE I WILL UP. I DID NOT KNOW WHAT AVENUE TO TAKE. THERE WERE CLEARLY MOMENTS... |
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WAS THERE ANY MOMENT WHEN YOU ARE SITTING AT A COPY SHOP IN BROOKLYN AND YOU SAW A LIGHT YOU PRINTED... |
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THE WHOLE COFFEE SHOP THING. IT IS MORE OF BEING IN MY APARTMENT. THERE IS A TIME OF LITERALLY A TIME... |
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WHAT WILL YOU THINKING OF YOURSELF? |
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IT IS NOT LIKE I NOTICED WHEN I DID IT THE FIRST TIME. FOR ME, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS WHAT I SAID BEFORE.... |
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WE ARE TAUGHT THAT IT IS A GOOD THING THAT JOURNALISTS DO NOT HAVE A LICENSING BOARD. GIVEN YOUR SITUATION,... |
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I DO NOT THINK LICENSING BOARDS WILL HELP OF THE OLD PROBLEMS. -- HELP ETHICAL PROBLEMS. |
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YOU SAID YOU VIEW YOUR MISTAKES AS A CHARACTER FLAW. DID YOU VIEW IT AS A CHARACTER FLAW THEN? DID... |
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MORE THAN I DO NOW. [LAUGHTER] IT REQUIRED LYING OUTSIDE. I DID SEE IT AS A CHARACTER FALL. -- FLAW.... |
| 00:42:43 |
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I READ AN INTERVIEW WHERE YOU ARE QUOTED AS SAYING HE THOUGHT JOURNALISM WAS MORE ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP... |
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WHERE DID YOU READ THAT? WAS IT WITH THE QUOTES AROUND IT? |
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IT WAS. BUT WHO? |
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MIKE CORONA? HE WAS THE MAN WHO HAD INTERVIEWED THE. IT WAS AT A SMALL SCHOOL. |
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OF THE HIGH SCHOOL. |
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YOU TOLD HIM YOU GOT YOUR INTERNSHIP AT THE BOSTON GLOBE BECAUSE THE ASSOCIATE DEAN HAD PRETTY MUCH... |
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I DO NOT RECALL EVER SAYING THAT. I WILL TRY NOT TO COMMENT DIRECTLY ON THE STORY. JOURNALISM AND... |
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DID YOU EVER TAKE AN ETHICS CLASS? |
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YES. |
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WE SPOKE OF YOUR IMMATURITY. DO YOU THINK THE FACT THAT YOU DID NOT GRADUATE FROM MARYLAND, DID THAT... |
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OTHER THAN MY OWN PERSONAL INSECURITY AND MY OWN SELF WORTH, BUT DID NOT CHANGE TERMS OF WHAT JOURNALISM... |
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[UNINTELLIGIBLE] EVERYONE ASSUMED TO HAVE FINISHED YOUR COLLEGE? |
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THERE WERE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO KNEW CLEARLY, INCLUDING THE HIRING MANAGERS. FOR A STORY ABOUT JOURNALISM... |
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FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND EXPERIENCE, HAVE YOU SEEN -- WHAT IS THE PREVALENCE OF FALSIFYING STORIES... |
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I CANNOT SPECULATE ON THAT. |
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DO YOU SEE THINGS WHERE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER JAYSON BLAIR? |
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THIS IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A ONETIME CASE. WE HAVE HAD SITUATION SINCE THEM. WHEN YOU -- I DO NOT REALLY... |
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FIND A STORY THAT IS WRITTEN ABOUT THIS EVENT AND WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT ME. SEE IF THE COMBINED... |
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FOR A LARGE PART, YOU ARE AN ANOMALY. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TOLD. IN THE REAL WORLD, ARE YOU AN ANOMALY?... |
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I DO NOT KNOW. I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. DO I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE? |
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YES. |
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I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON RIGHT NOW. |
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ARE THE STANDARD AS STRICT AS WE THINK THEY ARE? |
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I DO NOT KNOW HOW STOOD YOU THINK THEY ARE. |
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WE ARE TAUGHT IN YOUR NOT TO PLAGIARIZE ANYTHING. |
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THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS. |
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YOU GOT AWAY WITH, IS FACTUAL INACCURACIES. |
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I AM PROBABLY NOT THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER THEM. I HAVE NOT PAID SUCH CLOSE ATTENTION THAT I GIVE... |
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YOU MENTIONED THAT SOME OF YOUR -- WHAT YOU DID WAS BASED ON CHARACTER FLAWS. DO YOU THINK THEY ARE... |
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I DO NOT REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION FOR ANYONE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED... |
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YOU SAID THE ONE OF THE REASONS YOU WENT ASTRAY WAS BECAUSE FEWER CLIMBING THE CORPORATE LADDER. ... |
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IT IS MORE PAVLOVIAN FOR ME. IT IS ABOUT DELIVERING WHAT THEY WANTED. THE AUDIT DID NOT WANT A FABRICATED.... |
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THE TITLE OF YOUR TALK IS LESSONS LEARNED. WHAT LESSONS DO YOU THINK THE BUSINESS HAS TAKEN FROM YOUR... |
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THAT IS A GOOD ONE. I THINK THAT'S -- YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SAID ANOMALY. MY STORY IS AN ANOMALY IN MANY... |
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YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT IT WAS EASY TO FALL. WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR A BUT PEOPLE HERE TO... |
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I WAS NOT IN THE NEWSROOM. BUT THERE WAS TIMES, BUT I WAS RARELY IN THE NEWSROOM. |
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DID YOU EVER TALK TO EDITORS OR OTHER REPORTERS THAT YOU WERE WORKING WITH? |
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YES. |
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WAS THERE EVERY TIME YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STORIES WERE YOU HAD TO REMEMBER THE LIES? |
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JOURNALISM CAN BE A "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR ME LATELY" BUSINESS. I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU HAD BEEN ... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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NO. I WILL THROUGH YOU MY MICROPHONE. YOU ARE ASKING WHETHER IT WOULD OF BEEN EASY FOR ME TO HAVE... |
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I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS, JUST FROM LISTENING TO YOU TALK, IT SOUNDS LIKE -- THIS SOUNDS... |
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THERE WAS A PARDON ME THAT DID NOT WANT TO GET CAUGHT. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS. I WAS... |
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IT SOUNDS LIKE A RUNAWAY TRAIN. |
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I THINK THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT. TO SUGGEST THAT IT WAS JUST RUNNING AND WANTED TO GET CAUGHT... |
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THE NEXT QUESTION IS MORE SERIOUS. TO STRIP AWAY THE COVERAGE THAT HAS BEEN MADE AND THINK ABOUT THE... |
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IS A KEY POINT HERE. IT IS ONE OF THE PAPERS THAT PEOPLE LOOK TO FOR THE TRUTH. IT WAS A HARD ROAD.... |
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THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION I SHOULD ASK SOMEBODY ELSE, WHICH IS THE FIRST SOURCE YOU BETRAYED. SOME... |
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I PROBABLY SHOULD NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION. SINCE SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE GIVINGGIVEN ME INSIGHT ON... |
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[INAUDIBLE] [NO MICROPHONE] |
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THAT IS TRUE. THERE IS NO REASON YOU SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO BELIEVE ANYTHING. THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.... |
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THAT IS A GOOD RESPONSE. YOU TALKED ABOUT? -- YOU TALKED ABOUT FACTS. |
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YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME TO MY OFFICE. WHEN YOU COME IN, I LISTENED TO THEM TO DETERMINE IF THEY ARE... |
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I WILL GO BACK TO COVERING THE WORLD FROM YOUR APARTMENT. FROM TODAY'S PERSPECTIVE, TALK ABOUT THE... |
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-- YOU WERE OBVIOUSLY NOT PAID THAT MUCH. |
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IT IS A MATTER OF THE PARTICULAR TIME, NOT THE NEWSPAPER, THE ACTUAL TIME. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON AN... |
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THAT IS AN INDICATION OF A CULTURE. FOR YOU TO SPEAK IN THE BROADER SENSE. |
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WHAT? |
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A SIGN OF BLACK CULTURE. 0 -- A SIGN OF LAX CULTURE. |
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THERE WAS A STANDARD POLICY THAT SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR EXPENSES. CERTAIN BUREAUS DID HAVE TO HAVE... |
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I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IT IS HARD. I DO NOT THINK I CAN REALLY ANSWER THAT ONE.... |
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I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, WHAT YOU ARE WRITING THESE STORIES, YOU ARE PROUD OF YOURSELF?... |
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NO. |
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YOU ARE CONSCIOUS OF IT. |
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CORRECT. |
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IT IS HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHY YOU KEPT DOING IT. |
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I WAS AN ALCOHOLIC A BUM PICKING UP A DRINK. |
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OK. |
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IF YOU HAD SOME ADVICE FOR A NEWSROOM MANAGERS WHO WAS LOOKING FOR THOSE FIRST BABY STEPS, COULD YOU... |
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-- TO FIND A JOURNALIST WHO MAY BE GOING ASTRAY? |
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ONE OF THE DIFFICULT THINGS WHEN IT COMES TO JOURNALISM IS THAT ULTIMATELY IT IS BASED HEAVILY ON... |
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IT WAS HARD THEN, IT IS |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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PROFOUNDLY BECAUSE OF WHAT I WAS DOING AND GETTING AWAY WITH. THERE WAS A PART OF ME THAT THOUGHT... |
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ARE YOU IN CONTACT WITH PEOPLE IN THE NEWSROOMS? |
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YES. OAN INITIALLY AFTERWARDS, THERE WERE ONE OR 80 OF MY FORMER COLLEAGUES IN TOUCH WITH ME. I WOULD... |
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DID YOU EVER TRY TO MAKE IT RIGHT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT |
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YES. |
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CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? |
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NOPE. THOSE ARE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS AND THEY SHOULD STAY PRIVATE. |
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AND THEY WERE NOT PRIVATE, THAT HAPPENED IN THE PUBLIC. |
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LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT AND... |
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THESE ARE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS. WHETHER THEY REACHED OUT TO ME, OR I REACHED OUT TO THEM, THEY ALLOWED... |
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YOU'RE WELCOME. |
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I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE DEAD. YOU HAVING A SECOND CAREER. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE DID YOU GET... |
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I DON'T GIVE PSYCHIATRIC HELP. I AM A LIFE COACH. IN MY ROLE, I FOCUS ON MENTAL HEALTH AND I INTEND... |
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YOU ARE MAKING ALL OF THAT UP. YOU HAVE NO CREDENTIALS TO DO THAT. YOU ARE DOING IT FROM YOUR LIFE... |
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THIS IS NOT PSYCHOLOGY OR SOCIAL WORK. |
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NO, IT IS NOT. |
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YES, IT IS. |
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WHAT IS A PEER TO PEER PERSON TO. |
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THEY HAVE GOTTEN TRYING TO DO THAT? |
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ACTUALLY, NO, THAT IS NOT TRUE. IT IS BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE. THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF MENTAL... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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I THINK THAT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THOSE CHARACTER FLAWS SEEM LIKE THEY ARE GONE. THERE ARE AREAS WHERE... |
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[INAUDIBLE] |
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IT DOES NOT. THE EXPERIENCE OF FLYING DOES NOT QUALIFY YOU TO DO ANYTHING. -- LYING DOES NOT QUALIFY... |
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I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE TO PROVE YOURSELF EVERY DAY TO EVERYONE THAT YOU TALKED TO AND... |
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I DON'T THINK SO. IT SURPRISES ME A BIT OF THAT I DON'T HAVE TO. I TEND TO BE OPEN WITH PEOPLE ABOUT... |
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WHY SHOULD ANYONE TRUST YOU? |
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IT IS UP TO INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS ON HER OWN. PEOPLE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT THEY ARE WILLING... |
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BEEN AROUND ABOUT THE SAME TIMEAROUND THE SAME TIME, THERE WERE TWO OTHER INSTANCES OF WRONGDOING... |
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IT IS HARD FOR ME TO SAY BECAUSE MY VIEW OF THAT COVERAGE IS ABSOLUTELY DISTORTED. IT IS DISTORTED... |
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HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE THE MEDIA HANDLING OF THEM? |
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I DON'T REMEMBER THE COVERAGE AS WELL. I THOUGHT THAT MY STORY BECAUSE THE TIMES WAS WRITING THE BIG... |
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[INAUDIBLE] IN DID YOU EVER APPRECIATE THAT FACT? AND DID YOU EVER ENJOY YOUR JOB? |
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YES, YES. |
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YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE IN A FOG. |
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YES, THAT IS TRUE. THERE WAS A POINT OR A LOVED AND ENJOYED BEING IN THE TIMES. -- THERE WAS A POINT... |
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WAS A RELEASE THE WRITIN IT REALLY STILL THE WRITING? |
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YES. |
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WAS THERE A HOLE IN THE FACT CHECKING PROCESS THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT ALLOW YOU TO DECEIVE THE... |
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I DON'T THINK IT WAS OTHER THAN THIS FUNCTION. THERE IS GENERAL THIS FUNCTION. "THE TIMES," HAS MANY... |
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HOW DID YOU GET AROUND THIS? |
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IT HAPPENED BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE WERE STRETCHED AT THAT POINT. I DON'T THINK IT COULD HAVE GONE... |
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SOME OF THE FABRICATIONS YOU COULD HAVE MADE UP TO HELP PEOPLE AND TELL. DID IT EVER OCCUR TO YOU?... |
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THE BELL RINGS, THAT IS MY JOB. I WAS NOT AS DIRECTED AS IT WOULD TAKE IN TO HAVE SOME CRUSADING... |
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AFTER ALL OF THIS E-MAIL, DID ANY OTHER TO LIST CONTINUE AND CONFIDE IN NEW THAT THEY HAD DONE THE... |
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I DON'T WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A PERSONAL CONVERSATION. |
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JASON, THANK YOU. I DID SAY THAT WE WOULD GIVE THE MEDIA A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS. I GUESS, THIS... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
