Q&A with Terry Teachout

Jan 8, 2010

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Terry Teachout talked about his biography of Louis Armstrong called Pops: A Life of Louis Armstrong (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2009). Louis Armstrong was a jazz musician who influenced the music and culture of the 20th century. Mr. Teachout talked about Louie Armstrong's public life, including his experiences with segregation while .. Read More
Terry Teachout talked about his biography of Louis Armstrong called Pops: A Life of Louis Armstrong (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2009). Louis Armstrong was a jazz musician who influenced the music and culture of the 20th century. Mr. Teachout talked about Louie Armstrong's public life, including his experiences with segregation while touring and his overseas tours. Topics included his disagreement with President Eisenhower over race, calling the president "two faced" and having "no guts" while fellow musicians such as Dizzy Gillespie accussed Mr. Armstrong of being an "Uncle Tom."

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00:00:08 Unidentified Speaker TONIGHT, Q&A WITH TERRY TEACHOUT. HE TALKS ABOUT HIS NEW BIOGRAPHY ON LOUIS ARMSTRONG. THEN THERE ARE...
00:02:10 Unidentified Speaker EIGHT YEARS OLD AND THE FIRST TIME YOU HEARD LOUIS ARMSTRONG, -- NEW ON IT WAS 1964 AND HE WAS ON...
00:02:41 Unidentified Speaker I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING. I WAS PLAYING IN THE NEXT ROOM. MY MOTHER SAID TO ME TO COME IN HERE...
00:03:19 Unidentified Speaker THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO YOU BUT THE AUDIENCE WILL NOT UNDERSTAND. I WANT TO STAY...
00:03:38 Unidentified Speaker ARMSTRONG WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE IN AMERICA TO OWN A TAPE RECORDER. AFTER THEY WERE PUT ON SALE,...
00:04:49 Unidentified Speaker
00:04:51 Unidentified Speaker THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT
00:04:54 Unidentified Speaker WHAT LEDGER TO THE POINT THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD DO A
00:05:03 Unidentified Speaker HONESTLY, THAT WAS NINE YEARS AGO. IT WAS THE ARMSTRONGS AND MARYSENTINARY. MICHAEL COGGS WHELWELL ASKED...
00:06:14 Unidentified Speaker AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND THE NEXT MORNING, I CALLED MY AGENT AND I SAID I THOUGHT I KNEW WHAT THE...
00:06:24 Unidentified Speaker
00:06:26 Unidentified Speaker I CANNOT EVEN TELL YOU. YOU LOSE COUNT AFTER A WHILE. IT IS LIKE BEING IN THE BRIAR PATCH. I WAS JUST...
00:07:17 Unidentified Speaker IS THIS A CASE WHERE THOSE TAPES JUST SIT THERE AND NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION UNTIL SOMEONE
00:07:23 Unidentified Speaker EVERYBODY KNEW ABOUT THE TAPES AND EVERYBODY KNEW THAT HE MADE THE TAPES. BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN...
00:08:00 Unidentified Speaker WE WILL GET BACK TO A ARMSTRONG -- BACK TO LOUIS ARMSTRONG. THERE IS ANOTHER EVENT IN YOUR LIFE. YOU...
00:08:17 Unidentified Speaker I WAS DOING A BIOGRAPHY OF LINCOLN. IT WAS MY FIRST FULL-LENGTH BIOGRAPHY -- OF MENCKEN. HE LEFT BEHIND...
00:08:49 Unidentified Speaker
00:08:51 Unidentified Speaker I SPENT 10 YEARS WORKING ON THE BOOK. DURING THE MAIN TIME FRIEND THAT I WAS WORKING ON THAT, I WOULD...
00:09:33 Unidentified Speaker I FOUND I ENOUGH ON GOOGLED BOOKS TO FIND OUT ABOUT YOUR BOOK. THE " I HAVE IS THAT THE AMERICAN POLITICIAN...
00:10:09 Unidentified Speaker
00:10:11 Unidentified Speaker HOW MUCH DO THESE FOLKS IN THE CULTURE WORLD IMPACT
00:10:18 Unidentified Speaker ARMSTRONG HAD A REAL IMPACT ON POLITICS EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NOT A POLITICAL MAN. HIS IMPACT WAS IN RACE...
00:11:49 Unidentified Speaker WE HAVE SOME VIDEOTAPE. BEFORE WE DO THAT, THEY HAVE SOME OF YOUR MATERIAL ON GOOGLE BOOKS.
00:11:57 Unidentified Speaker
00:12:02 Unidentified Speaker THEY DO NOT HAVE THE FULL BOOK. ALL OF THE BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN, THEY DO NOT HAVE MUCH THERE....
00:12:16 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE SHARPLY MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT IT. THE COPYRIGHT AND COMPENSATION ISSUES ARE VERY SERIOUS I WAS...
00:12:50 Unidentified Speaker WHY DID THEY THINK THEY COULD EVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND
00:12:55 Unidentified Speaker THEY COOPERATED BECAUSE IT WAS TO VERY ADVANTAGED IN TERMS
00:13:00 Unidentified Speaker
00:13:02 Unidentified Speaker THAT, I DO NOT KNOW. I THINK THAT GOOGLE ASSUMED THAT IF THEY DID THIS ON A SUFFICIENTLY LARGE SCALE...
00:13:40 Unidentified Speaker THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS THAT THERE IS A VAST AMOUNT OF MATERIAL. WE DO NOT KNOW THE MAN'S NAME,...
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00:14:02 Unidentified Speaker
00:14:07 Unidentified Speaker I BELIEVE YOU WANT TO EXPRESS A DESIRE TO PLAY BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS
00:14:15 Unidentified Speaker NOW, IT IS UP TO UNCLE SAM. IT GETS A LITTLE ROUGH OVER THERE AND IF IT PLAYS RIGHT, IT WILL BE APPRECIATED.
00:14:48 Unidentified Speaker I RECALL THAT YOU SHOUTED PROTOCOL BY SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO LAY A SONG ON FOR PRINCESS MARGARET.
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00:15:22 Unidentified Speaker THEY LOVE THE MUSIC THAT WE
00:15:28 Unidentified Speaker
00:15:30 Unidentified Speaker THAT IS THE PUBLIC ARMSTRONG. IT IS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT THE PUBLIC ARMSTRONG IS A REAL. HE IS NOT...
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00:16:22 Unidentified Speaker THIS WAS JUST BEFORE HE HAD THE BALL OUT WITH EISENHOWER. HE WAS TALKING TO THE STATE
00:16:36 Unidentified Speaker LOOKING AT THAT, THIS SAYS THAT THE TRUMPET PLAYER LOUIS ARMSTRONG SAID LAST NIGHT HE'D GIVEN UP PLANS...
00:16:55 Unidentified Speaker I CANNOT SAY WHAT HE REALLY SAID ON THIS TELEVISION SHOW BECAUSE IT IS AN OBSCENITY OF THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE...
00:20:32 Unidentified Speaker THIS SAYS, "DADDY, IF AND WHEN YOU DECIDE TO TAKE THOSE LITTLE NEGRO CHILDREN PERSONALLY INTO CENTRAL...
00:20:53 Unidentified Speaker AFTER EISENHOWER SENT THE NATIONAL GUARD IN, ARMSTRONG REALIZED THE PRESIDENT HAD DONE THE RIGHT THING,...
00:21:16 Unidentified Speaker
00:21:21 Unidentified Speaker SOVIET UNION, BUT IN 1960, HE MAKES HIS FIRST OFFICIAL TOUR. HE HAD BEEN PLAYING IN EUROPE IN 1932 AND...
00:22:09 Unidentified Speaker WHAT WAS HIS WAY OF TREATING
00:22:17 Unidentified Speaker HE DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT MUCH. HE ALWAYS HAD AN INTEGRATED BAND AND SAID WHAT HE WANTED TO SAY ABOUT...
00:23:07 Unidentified Speaker
00:23:11 Unidentified Speaker LIKE MANY PEOPLE THAT SHAKE HANDS WITH THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EVERY WEEK, HE HAD TROUBLE REMEMBERING PEOPLE'S...
00:24:05 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF TROUTRUMPET AND YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE MONITOR. EXPLAIN WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU...
00:24:21 Unidentified Speaker YOU SEE THE ARTIST, THE SERIOUS MAN. WHEN YOU SEE PERFORMANCE PHOTOGRAPHS, HE IS A CLOWN AND PHILLY...
00:25:21 Unidentified Speaker BOARD IN NEW ORLEANS, DIED IN QUEENS.
00:25:28 Unidentified Speaker THE FIRST WAS A PROSTITUTE, THE SECOND WAS A MUSICIAN. LISTENING TO THE TAPES AND TALKING AT GREAT LENGTH...
00:25:43 Unidentified Speaker LET'S LISTEN. (music) WINHEN PRESSED ME TO YOUR HEART AND IN A WORLD APART, A WORLD WHERE ROSES BLOOM,...
00:26:52 Unidentified Speaker
00:26:54 Unidentified Speaker IT IS A GOOD BLESSING. -- IT IS A MIXED BLESSING. MOST OF THIS IS EITHER OUT COPYRIGHT OR NO ATTEMPT...
00:27:32 Unidentified Speaker HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH
00:27:45 Unidentified Speaker ONE DAY, SEVEN YEARS AGO, THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PAPERS CULTURE COVERAGE. HE WANTED ME TO BE DRAWN...
00:28:01 Unidentified Speaker KEY IS THE EDITOR OF THE EDITORIAL PAGE WHICH MEANS THAT YOU WORKED AT THE EDITORIAL DEPARTMENT. HOW...
00:28:18 Unidentified Speaker
00:28:20 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE NOT EVER COME UP WITH A GOOD ANSWER TO THAT. THEY ARE NOT ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN CULTURE THE...
00:29:27 Unidentified Speaker HOW ABOUT THE SELECTION OF
00:29:34 Unidentified Speaker WOULD YOU PICK SOMETHING BECAUSE OF YOUR INSTINCTS? WHAT I DO NOT THINK SO. MY DEAL WITH THE JOURNAL...
00:30:34 Unidentified Speaker A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES THINK THAT THE WORLD OF COMMUNICATION AND HOLLYWOOD AND BROADWAY AND THE ARTS...
00:30:45 Unidentified Speaker I DO NOT THINK THERE IS ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I DO NOT THINK THAT IT IS A SALIENT MATTER. I AM AWARE...
00:31:46 Unidentified Speaker THE ST. JOHN'S COLLEGE, HOW
00:31:49 Unidentified Speaker JUST A SEMESTER. I HAD COME FROM A VERY SMALL TOWN. JUST AS ARMSTRONG DID NOT SET FOOT OUT OF NEW ORLEANS...
00:33:12 Unidentified Speaker HOW LONG AT THE KANSAS CITY
00:33:19 Unidentified Speaker
00:33:28 Unidentified Speaker BECAME THEIR SECOND STRAIGHT CLASSICAL STUDENT. I BECAME THEIR FIRST STRING JAZZ CRITIC. IT WAS TREMENDOUSLY...
00:34:13 Unidentified Speaker HOW LONG AT THE "NEW YORK
00:34:21 Unidentified Speaker SEVERAL YEARS IT WAS MY -- SEVERAL YEARS. IT WAS MY SECOND TIME I CAME TO NEW YORK. I EDITED THE "HARPER'S...
00:35:04 Unidentified Speaker WHAT IS ON YOUR BLOCK AND WHO
00:35:12 Unidentified Speaker BLOCK ABOUT ARTS IN NEW YORK CITY. THIS WAS A NATIONAL, AND NORTH CAROLINA. I ALWAYS HAVE A DAILY " WHICH...
00:36:00 Unidentified Speaker I WANT TO MENTION A FOOTNOTE. "LOUIS ARMSTRONG A RESTAURANT OWNER IN CONNECTICUT, WE SET OUT HEADED...
00:36:47 Unidentified Speaker MY WIFE IS FROM CONNECTICUT AND SHE WAS SHOCKED WHEN I READ THAT QUOTE. SHE SAID THAT THAT COULD NOT...
00:37:05 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS A BLACK MAN IN A
00:37:20 Unidentified Speaker HE WAS INSULATED FROM THIS EXPERIENCE BECAUSE HE WAS VERY FAMOUS THROUGHOUT THE FIRST PART OF HIS LIFE...
00:38:33 Unidentified Speaker THIS IS A SONG THAT REFLECTS SOME OF THIS. (music) IC SKIES OF BLUE AND CLOUDS OF WHITE LIGHT BLESSED...
00:40:23 Unidentified Speaker IN YOUR BOOK, YOU SAY THAT WHEN HE DIED IN 1971, HE WAS WORTH $500,000, BUT IT SEEMS THAT A MAN THAT...
00:40:34 Unidentified Speaker IT ISN'T. HE SAID THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO DIE RICH. THE NET VALUE OF HIS ESTATE WAS MORE THAN THAT IF...
00:41:41 Unidentified Speaker HOW MUCH OF THE ESTATE WAS LEFT BEYOND THE $500,000? WHAT IS THE VALUE OF ALL THAT HE
00:41:53 Unidentified Speaker THE ROYALTY STREAM CONTINUES TODAY. IT HAS BEEN ROLLED OVER INTO THE LOUIS ARMSTRONG EDUCATIONAL FOUNDATION...
00:43:23 Unidentified Speaker
00:43:26 Unidentified Speaker BORN IN 1901 AND WENT NORTH
00:43:32 Unidentified Speaker
00:43:34 Unidentified Speaker NOT MUCH. HE SPENT 1.5 YEARS IN REFORM SCHOOL. THAT IS WHERE HE HAD HIS ONLY FORMAL MUSICAL TRAINING....
00:44:00 Unidentified Speaker HERE IS SOME MORE FROM THAT
00:44:05 Unidentified Speaker DO YOU FEEL THAT AMERICAN JAZZ COULD BE AN INSTRUMENT FOR
00:44:11 Unidentified Speaker I THINK SO.
00:44:23 Unidentified Speaker HOUSE RECEPTION BEEN WHEN YOU
00:44:28 Unidentified Speaker A NOTE IS A NOTE IN ANY LANGUAGE. THEY REALLY APPRECIATED.
00:44:38 Unidentified Speaker WHAT IMPACT DID HE HAVE ON THE WHOLE JAZZ WORLD AND HOW MUCH OF IT WAS JAZZ AND HOW MUCH OF IT TURNED...
00:44:51 Unidentified Speaker IT IS INCALCULABLE. HE IS, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FIGURE IN JAZZ IN THE 20TH-CENTURY....
00:46:08 Unidentified Speaker WHAT UP PEOPLE WHO ACCUSED
00:46:15 Unidentified Speaker I THINK IT WAS UNDERSTANDABLE. THINK OF HIM AS BEING MORE CONTEMPORARY THAN HE IS. BUT HE WAS BORN IN...
00:47:08 Unidentified Speaker WHY WOULD HE DO THAT?
00:47:12 Unidentified Speaker IT IS A LOT LIKE THE SUN GOING AFTER THE FATHER. ARMSTRONG WAS THE GREAT FATHER FIGURE OF JAZZ AND DIZZY...
00:48:24 Unidentified Speaker HOW OFTEN DO YOU RUN INTO SOMEBODY THAT HAS NOT HEARD OF
00:48:33 Unidentified Speaker I HAVE NEVER RUN INTO BOD ANYBODY WHO HAD NEVER HEARD OF LOUIS ARMSTRONG. A CABBIE ASKED ME WHERE I...
00:49:43 Unidentified Speaker GO BACK TO YOUR 650 TAPES
00:49:50 Unidentified Speaker THEY ARE PHYSICALLY AT QUEENS COLLEGE. NOBODY PLAYS THEM SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO COMPACT...
00:50:18 Unidentified Speaker
00:50:21 Unidentified Speaker
00:50:26 Unidentified Speaker HOW MANY PLACES IN THE COUNTRY OTHER PLACES TO GO TO SEE SOMETHING FROM LOUIS
00:50:42 Unidentified Speaker ALL OF THE SIGNIFICANT SITES THAT ARMSTRONG WAS ASSOCIATED WITH IN HIS LIFE WERE TORN DOWN LONG AGO....
00:51:38 Unidentified Speaker IT IS INTERESTING TO HEAR HIM TALK ABOUT ROCK-AND-ROLL AND THE
00:51:54 Unidentified Speaker WHEN I WAS A KID THEY WOULD SHOP AND HAVE THE BANJOS. QUITE NATURALLY THOUGHT IT IS BEAUTIFUL MUSIC....
00:52:28 Unidentified Speaker
00:52:32 Unidentified Speaker -- WHAT ABOUT THE BEATNIK
00:52:46 Unidentified Speaker AT MY AGE, YOU KNOW I LOVE IT.
00:52:51 Unidentified Speaker AS A CULTURE CRITIC, PUT THAT IN CONTEXT. RAP MUSIC, WHATEVER, HOW DOES
00:53:03 Unidentified Speaker ARMSTRONG IS THE GREAT GRANDPARENT OF IT ALL, AS HE MENTIONS IN THIS CLIP. HE RECOGNIZED IMMEDIATELY...
00:53:43 Unidentified Speaker WHAT ABOUT YOUR OPINION
00:53:46 Unidentified Speaker I LIKE SOME.
00:53:48 Unidentified Speaker
00:53:54 Unidentified Speaker I CANNOT SAY I AM PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN WRAPPRAP. ROCK AND ITS SUCCESSOR MUSIC CONTINUE TO FASCINATE...
00:54:28 Unidentified Speaker WHAT IS NEXT FOR YOU? WHAT I AM GOING TO WRITE A BIOGRAPHY OF DUKE ELLINGTON ALONG THE SAME LINES AS...
00:55:09 Unidentified Speaker HOW MUCH HAS BEEN WRITTEN
00:55:15 Unidentified Speaker THERE IS MORE SOURCE MATERIAL BEEN THERE IS FOR ARMSTRONG. THE MAJOR ARCHIVES ARE IN WASHINGTON AND...
00:55:46 Unidentified Speaker WHAT DO YOU THINK HAS CAUSED THIS BOOK TO CATCH ON LIKE IT HAS? I CAN SAY THAT I HAVE READ NOTHING BUT...
00:56:09 Unidentified Speaker BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT LOUIS ARMSTRONG. IF YOU CANNOT WRITE A GOOD BOOK ABOUT LOUIS ARMSTRONG, BE A PLUMBER....
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00:57:03 Unidentified Speaker ARMSTRONG REMAINS A COMMUNICATIVE CHARACTER. HE HAS NOT LOST HIS CHARM. I THINK THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT...
00:57:19 Unidentified Speaker YOU WRITE THE BOOK WHILE
00:57:24 Unidentified Speaker YOU DO NOT NORMALLY LISTEN TO A FIRST DRAFT WHILE LISTENING TO MUSIC. THERE WAS ALWAYS ARMSTRONG USED...
00:57:48 Unidentified Speaker IF YOU'RE GOING TO BITE A LOUIS ARMSTRONG CD OR DOWNLOAD
00:57:56 Unidentified Speaker THE APPENDIX OF MY BOOKS ARE A LIST OF 360 SONGS THAT I TALK ABOUT AT LEAST. YOU CANNOT GET ALL OF THEM...
00:58:38 Unidentified Speaker
00:58:40 Unidentified Speaker I JUST MADE THE DEAL. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR WE WILL
00:58:49 Unidentified Speaker THANK YOU, AND LET'S LISTEN

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