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JULIAN ZELIZER IS A PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS AT PRINCETON UNIVERSITY AND THE AUTHOR OF... |
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IT COMES FROM A FAMOUS SPEECH BY FDR, MAKING A SPEECH TRY TO GET AMERICA BEHIND WORLD WAR II, SAYING... |
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WHY WAS THAT SPEECH |
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FDR WAS A TRANSITION TO A PERIOD WHERE AMERICA HAS A PERMANENT NATIONAL SECURITY STATE. BEFORE WORLD... |
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YOUR BOOK IS ABOUT POLITICS FROM WORLD WAR II TO THE WAR ON TERRORISM, BUT YOU REALLY START DURING THE... |
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I GAVE THE BACKUP TO READERS TO UNDERSTAND BASIC HISTORY OF FOREIGN POLICY AND NATIONAL SECURITY. WE... |
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JULIAN ZELIZER IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE POLITICS OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND TAKING YOUR CALLS. DID FDR LEARNED... |
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ONE THING HE LEARNED WAS THAT POLITICS IS PART OF NATIONAL SECURITY. HE SAW WITH TEDDY ROOSEVELT THAT... |
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HOW WAS IT A VICTORY FOR |
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THEY WERE STEADFASTLY AGAINST INTERVENTION A NATURAL WORLD WAR II. BUT FDR AS A DEMOCRAT LED THE WAY.... |
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WHAT CHANGED WHEN HARRY TRUMAN BECAME PRESIDENT, PARTICULARLY IN THE ELECTION OF |
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THE 1950 ELECTIONS MAKE A LOT OF THE POLITICS OF TODAY SEEM TAME. A VERY BITTER ELECTION. A LOT OF REPUBLICANS... |
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THE POLITICS OF NATIONAL SECURITY IS OUR TOPIC. KERRI ON OUR INDEPENDENCE LINE, BILL AHEAD. H -- GARY... |
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I NOTICE THAT MOST OF CALLERS GET ABOUT 60 SECONDS OR SO, SO I WILL MAKE THIS COULD PICK ON 9/11, AT... |
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IS IT YOUR VIEW THAT THE |
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I AM NOT TRY TO PUT THIS ON ANYBODY. YOU CAN LEAVE IT WITH WHOEVER YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT WITH. I JUST... |
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THE ISSUE OF |
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IT WAS REMARKABLE WHEN I WAS WRITING THIS BOOK, HOW QUICKLY THE POLITICS RETURNS. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS... |
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YOU WROTE ABOUT THE FOCUS OF EXECUTIVE POWER. ALBERTO GONZALES' ARGUED THAT IT WAS A STRONG PRESIDENT... |
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NO, THERE WAS A VIEW SINCE FDR THAT THE EXECUTIVE POWER HAD TO EXPAND DURING WAR, DURING NATIONAL SECURITY... |
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I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON ALL THIS NATIONAL SECURITY. I THINK THAT AMERICANS, AS WE HAVE SEEN... |
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I THINK THE TENSION YOU TALK ABOUT HAS BEEN ONE WITHIN CONSERVATISM SINCE THE COLD WAR, MEANING ON THE... |
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YOU USE A TERM CALLED "CONSERVATIVE INTERNATIONALISM." |
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I THINK IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE TO FDR. WAR WITHOUT SACRIFICE. YOU DON'T NEED TAX INCREASES OR THE DRAFT.... |
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THE U.S. ACTING ALONE |
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KIND OF CRITICIZING THE UNITED NATIONS AS AN INSTITUTION |
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I WANT TO SAY A QUICK THING ABOUT WAR II. MY GRANDFATHER WAS A CHIEF INTELLIGENCE OFFICER. I'VE BEEN... |
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SHE SAYS WE NEVER HAD FEARED A MATTER WHAT WE DEALT WITH. -- NEVER HAD FEARED NO MATTER |
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THAT IS NOT TRUE. DURING THE COLD WAR, IT WAS PRETTY DISHES. THERE WERE REPUBLICANS ATTACKING TREATMENT... |
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I WANTED TO READ A BIT FROM THE SECTION ON JFK AND THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS. "FROM THE START OF HIS... |
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WE FORGET IN THE 1950'S THAT THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT WAS EMERGING. REPUBLICANS WERE MAKING KEEP A... |
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DO YOU THINK THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS WAS THE HEIGHT OF U.S. YOUR OF THE POSSIBLE SOVIET ATTACK? --... |
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CONTINUE HE WAS SCARED AND NOT JUST OF THE SOVIETS BUT ATTACKS ON HIS |
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THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON THIS MORNING. THERE IS A DOCUMENTARY OUT THERE ON YOUTUBE CALLED "NATIONAL... |
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WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS |
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"NATIONAL SECURITY |
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THANKS FOR THE CALL. |
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MIGHT TAKE ON IT IS THAT IT'LL -- IT ALL DEPENDS ON A WHITE RACIST TO PROCEED AT THIS COUNTRY HAS EXISTED... |
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RACE HAS BEEN PART OF NATIONAL SECURITY. EARLY IN MY BOOK, DURING THE SPANISH-AMERICAN WAR, THE PERCEPTIONS... |
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WAS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE U.S. EVER AT STAKE BECAUSE OF OUR CIVIL RIGHTS POLICY, BEFORE |
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ABSOLUTELY. DURING THE 1950'S, A LOT OF PRESSURE FORCE OF RIGHTS DOES NOT JUST COME FROM THE CIVIL-... |
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A FEW CALLERS AGO THERE WAS A LADY WHO SAID THAT WE ARE A TOWER THE NATION BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO JOIN... |
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THE PRESIDENT GOT RID OF THE DRAFT WAS RICHARD NIXON. VIETNAM WHAT ON HIS PRESIDENCY -- WOULD HAUNT... |
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OUTSIDE OF THE VIETNAM, WHAT WERE RICHARD NIXON BOSTICK BIGGEST ACCOMPLISHMENTS ON NATIONAL SECURITY... |
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DETENTE. IT CULMINATED IN SOMETHING CALLED SALT IN 1972, AND THE FAMOUS TRIP TO CHINA IN 1972. DETENTE... |
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HOW DID THAT PLAY WITH THE MORE CONSERVATIVE WING OF THE |
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THEY WERE FURIOUS. RONALD REAGAN WAS ABSOLUTELY LIVID WITH RICHARD NIXON, BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO BE BETRAYED... |
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YOU SAID THAT RONALD REAGAN WAS NOT ALWAYS AS TOUGH |
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EARLY ON HE HAD HIS HAWKISH RHETORIC AND AT A BIG INCREASE IN DEFENSE, BUT LATER, IN 1987, HE ACCEPTED... |
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THE LESSON THERE -- YOU LOOK AT NIXON AND REAGAN -- AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO IGNORE THE CRITICISM FROM... |
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SOMETIMES THAT IS THE CASE. BY BLOCKING THE BASE OF THEIR PARTY, THEY ENGAGED IN WHAT WERE VERY IMPORTANT... |
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LONG ISLAND, ANTHONY ON |
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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT GOVERNMENTS HAVE ALWAYS DEFINE THEMSELVES BY SELLING PROTECTION TO THEIR CITIZENRY.... |
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WHEN PRESIDENT EISENHOWER STEPPED DOWN, HE MADE FAMOUS FAREWELL ADDRESS WHERE HE WARNED ABOUT THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL... |
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BACK TO THE SPEECH HE MENTIONED WITH PRESIDENT EISENHOWER AND HIS FAREWELL SPEECH ON THE MILITARY- INDUSTRIAL... |
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IT IS HUGE. WHEN HE RAN IN 1952, HE WAS PART OF A REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN THAT WAS LASHING DEMOCRATS FOR... |
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NEW ORLEANS, INDEPENDENT COLOR. |
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GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS IT, WHAT MENTAL INCAPACITY, WHAT ORDERS YOU HAVE BEEN GIVING,... |
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THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO |
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NO. I KNOW THE ARGUMENTS ARE OUT THERE, THEY ARE THERE, PART OF THE ATMOSPHERE. ONE THING THAT THIS... |
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TREVOR, REPUBLICAN COLUMN. |
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I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THE LAST GUY. YOU CAN MAKE YOUR CONSPIRACY |
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MAKE SURE YOU TURN DOWN YOUR TELEVISION OR RADIO THERE |
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WELL, AT THE LAST GUY -- IT IS A FREE COUNTRY. HERE TO SAY WHAT YOU ARE GONNA SAY AND HE WILL SAY. NORMAL... |
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THANKS FOR YOUR CALL. |
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THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL, I THINK THE CABLE COMPANY FOR SENDING MY PAYMENTS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AT... |
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THIS WAS I HEARING YOU SAW |
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YEAH. IT WAS KIND OF AMAZING THAT AMERICAN LIVES WERE COLLATERAL TO CONTINUE THE CIA OPERATION. WE ALSO... |
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IN A LITTLE BIT OFF TOPIC, BUT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO RESPOND |
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ONE THING WE LEARNED WITH THE CHRISTMAS BOMBING EFFORT AND OTHER INCIDENTS THAT, IS THAT IT CHANGES... |
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THE PRESIDENT'S SECURITY ADVISER JOHN BRENNAN WAS ON THE SUNDAY SHOWS. THIS HEADLINE -- "STOP CRITICIZING... |
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ABSOLUTELY. GOING BACK TO PRESIDENT EISENHOWER, HE USED TO COMPLAIN THAT DEMOCRATS WERE AWARE THAT NO... |
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WHAT WAS THE POLITICAL CALCULATION THAT LYNDON JOHNSON |
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IT WAS A COSTLY ONE. HE WAS TERRIFIED THAT REPUBLICANS WERE GOING TO UNDERCUT DEMOCRATS' ON NATIONAL... |
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RON ON OUR INDEPENDENT |
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WHAT ALWAYS TROUBLES ME IS THE HYPOCRISY OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY. WE HAVE ALWAYS PREACHED DEMOCRACY... |
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WELL, I DO THINK THERE IS A LONG TRADITION FROM THE COLD WAR TO THE WAR ON TERRORISM OR THERE IS A DISCONNECT... |
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YOU WROTE ABOUT JIMMY CARTER, "SEEKING STUDIES TO ACHIEVE PEACE WITH THE SOVIET UNION WHILE STRENGTHENING... |
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HE WAS NOT THE FIRST, BUT THE FIRST TO DO IT SO DRAMATICALLY. RICHARD NIXON WAS A PRACTITIONER OF REALPOLITIK... |
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HAS A REMAIN PART OF OUR |
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IT HAS TO REMAIN PART OF OUR FOREIGN POLICY. PRESIDENT BUSH USED THAT RHETORIC DURING THE WAR ON TERROR,... |
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EARLIER YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TREMENDOUS ATTRITION AND THE TENSION BETWEEN REPUBLICANS AND -- THE TRUMAN... |
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I COULD COMMENT ON THAT. YES, WE HAVE HAD THE RELEASE OF THE SOVIET ARCHIVES SAYING THAT THERE WAS A... |
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DEXTER ON THE DEMOCRATS' |
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GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN -- GOOD MORNING. NOBODY EVER MENTIONS THE PROJECT A NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. IN... |
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YES, NEOCONSERVATIVES AND CONSERVATIVES WHO USED TO BE DEMOCRATS AND OTHERS WHO REALLY EMPHASIZED FOREIGN-POLICY,... |
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WASHINGTON IS FULL OF AT THINK TANKS AND OTHER IDEA AT SHOPS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. HAVE THESE... |
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I THINK THEY HAVE CHANGED. BACK IN THE 1940'S AND 1950'S, YOU HAD A HANDFUL OF THINK TANKS. YOU HAD... |
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JIM, GOOD MORNING TO |
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I DO LIKE THE THINK TANK. I LIKE IT WENT C-SPAN COVERS -- WHEN THEY HAVE COVERAGE FROM THE SPEAKERS,... |
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IN THE 1930'S, LATE IN THE 1930'S, AND NOT IN 1933, ROOSEVELT PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF EXECUTIVE POWER.... |
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WHO DO YOU THINK BEST ARTICULATED NATIONAL SECURITY |
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I THINK FDR, WHO HAD A VERY COMPELLING VISION OF WHY WE HAD TO FIGHT AND HOW WE HAD TO FIGHT. HE CALLED... |
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KEVIN, GO AHEAD, |
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I WAS WONDERING HOW WE COULD BUILD AN ARSENAL OF DEMOCRACY, GIVEN WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY... |
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THE IMPACT OF THE ECONOMY |
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IT IS HUGELY IMPORTANT. THE SAME WAY DIMINISHES OUR TRUST IN DOMESTIC POLICY, IT DIMINISHES OUR TRUST... |
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JULIAN'S ALSO TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE -- JULIAN ZELIZER TEACHES POLITICAL SCIENCE -- I'M SORRY, HISTORY |
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I AM FINISHING A BOOK ON AT JIMMY CARTER AND WHAT RONALD REAGAN AND THE REPUBLICAN REVOLUTION AND ANOTHER... |
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WE THANK YOU FOR TAKING |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
