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CAN WE COME BACK TO ORDER? I THINK ALL OF THE SENATORS FOR THIS DELAY. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO A... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR WORKING WITH ME TO PROTECT THE HEALTH... |
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YOU CANNOT ARGUE IT ON KIDS AND PARTICULARLY YOUNG KIDS. THEY HAVE REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE TO MEET THAT... |
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SENATOR GRASSLEY. |
| 00:03:20 |
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I KNOW THAT WHEN I SPEAK AGAINST SENATOR ROCKEFELLER'S AMENDMENT, HE WILL THINK I AM AGAINST EVERYTHING... |
| 00:03:48 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO MODIFY THIS AMENDMENT AT THIS POINT TO BUY THAT ANY SAVINGS FROM THIS AMENDMENT,... |
| 00:04:16 |
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THIS IS WHY I THINK THIS AMENDMENT IS VERY BAD, AND I START WITH THE PREMISE THAT FOR A LONG PERIOD... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN? MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS IN THE GROUP OF SIX FOR THE 61-ODD MEETINGS THAT WE HAD -- FOR THE... |
| 00:06:24 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I AM PLEASED TO BE A CO-SPONSOR OF THIS AMENDMENT, AND I AM JUST A DEEP BELIEVER IN... |
| 00:07:53 |
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I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF. MR. SCHWARTZ, DOES THIS AMENDMENT TAKES CHILDREN... |
| 00:08:18 |
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CHILDREN GENERALLY ARE HEALTHIER AND CHEAPER TO INSURE, SO IT WOULD REMOVE SOME FROM THAT POOL. |
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SAYS MOVING CHILDREN INTO GOVERNMENT RUN COVERAGE MAKE THE PRIVATE POOL MORE EXPENSIVE TO COVER THAT?... |
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I BELIEVE IT DOES. |
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WITH THE SENATOR YIELD? |
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AS SOON AS I AM FINISHED ASKING MY QUESTIONS. DOES THIS AMENDMENT TAKE THAT MEDICAID BENEFIT AWAY... |
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THE CHAIRMAN'S MARK PROVIDED TO ALL CHILDREN BELOW 250. IT WOULD PROVIDE IT ONLY TO THOSE -- THERE... |
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SO THIS AMENDMENT DOES EXTEND THE CHIP PROGRAM? |
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THIS AMENDMENT EXTENDS THE CHIP PROGRAM. |
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DOES THIS AMENDMENT BROAD FUNDING ALLOTMENT EQUAL TO THE CURRENT CHIP PROGRAM? |
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AS I AND EXTENT, THIS AMENDMENT LEAVES THE CURRENT -- LEAVES THE CURRENT REAUTHORIZATION ALONE. IT... |
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SO IS A FUNDED, OR IS IT UNDERFUNDED? |
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THE ALLOTMENTS AFTER SEPTEMBER 30 IT OF 2013 ARE NOT FUNDED IN THE MINUTE, BUT CEO'S ASSUMPTION IN... |
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WILL STATES BE ABLE TO COVER AS MANY CHILDREN AS THEY DO UNDER CURRENT SHIPCHIP? THERE WILL BE FEWER... |
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WE HAVE NOT SEEN COURAGE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK THAT IS CORRECT BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION OF ROUGHLY $6... |
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IN SUMMATION, THIS AMENDMENT INCREASES THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE AT THE... |
| 00:11:00 |
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MY PLEASURE. [LAUGHTER] |
| 00:11:14 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ALL ROLL-CALL VOTE ON THIS. [ROLL CALL VOTE] [ROLL CALL VOTE]... |
| 00:12:40 |
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THE AMENDMENT IS CARRIED. |
| 00:13:13 |
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I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE SOME REMARKS ALL DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING ON ABOUT MEDICAID, AND ABOUT THE ABSOLUTE... |
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I AM READING MY STATEMENT. THIS IS AT THE SUMMIT, THE CRITICALITY OF THIS MOMENT AND THE PRESSURE,... |
| 00:24:40 |
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I DO NOT KNOW OF A SENATOR WHO HAS A DEEPER SENSE OF PURPOSE AND CONVICTION, PASSION FOR HIS STATE... |
| 00:26:01 |
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NOW SHOWING THAT ALL PEOPLE ARE NOT CONSISTENT AT ALL MOMENTS OF THE HOUR OF THE DAY, I WOULD DRAW... |
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THIS AMENDMENT MAKES VARIOUS CHANGES TO THE MODIFY CHAIRMAN'S MARK. THE AMENDMENT IS NOW BEING DISTRIBUTED.... |
| 00:27:11 |
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COULD YOU EXPLAIN THIS, PLEASE? WITH THE PROPER STAFF EXPLAIN THIS MODIFICATION? WHO DO YOU WANT TO... |
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THE VARIOUS PROVISIONS AND MODIFICATIONS -- YOU ARE PROBABLY HERE TO EXPLAIN AT LEAST THE FIRST PART... |
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IF I COULD JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE AMENDMENT. THE AMENDMENT CONTAINS THREE... |
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THE AMENDMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE MEDICARE COMMISSION ARE AS FOLLOWS. THE MEN AND CLARIFIES THAT THE... |
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ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PORTION? LET'S PROCEED TO THE NEXT QUESTION, MR. SCHWARTZ. |
| 00:31:46 |
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THE NEXT SECTION IS A MODIFICATION OF THE C-1 AMENDMENT WHICH WAS DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO... |
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WHAT WAS THE CHANGE AGAIN? |
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IT WAS NO. 7 ON THE MODIFIED VERSION THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED AND IT SET TAXPAYERS FILING FEDERAL INCOME... |
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EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE SAME, |
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CORRECT. |
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I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE SENATOR ROCKEFELLER IT TO FURTHER MODIFY HIS AMENDMENT. EXILE FOR THE MODIFY... |
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I MIGHT CLARIFY THAT WAS A TYPOGRAPHICAL ERROR AND THE MODIFICATION CORRECT THAT MISTAKE. ARE THERE... |
| 00:34:09 |
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I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. BARR TOLD. IN THE HIGH-RISK WORK CATEGORY, CONSTRUCTION WORK IS ONE... |
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I WAS NOT QUESTIONING THE THINKING ABOUT THE GENDER CHOICE. AS WE CONCEIVED OF IT FOR TRYING TO ESTIMATE... |
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MANY OF US ARE HEARING FROM THAT PARTICULAR GROUP PRETTY LOUDLY. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS A WAY... |
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I SEE NO REASON WHY NOT. |
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IS THE LOGIC BEHIND THE HIGH RISK -- IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT MOST OF THE HIGH RISK WOULD BE COVERED... |
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WORKMAN'S COMP COMPENSATE PERSONS WHO ARE INJURED. THEY GET PAID BENEFITS, SOMETIMES LIFETIME BENEFITS.... |
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YES, BUT THEIR HEALTH CARE IS ALSO REJECT GILLON THESE ARE GENERALLY POLICIES THAT ARE OF HIGH... |
| 00:37:07 |
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IN THE GROUP OF SIX, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME DOWN IS THAT A WHOLE... |
| 00:37:48 |
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WHAT SENATOR CONRAD HAS SAID IS CORRECT, THERE IS A HIGHER INCIDENCE OF ON THE JOB INJURY AND CENTER... |
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THAT JUST KIND OF SURPRISED ME THAT THE REASON IS BECAUSE WE HEARD LAST NIGHT ABOUT DISCRIMINATION,... |
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I DO NOT HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO WANT TO RESPOND. I AM PLEASED TO BE A CO-SPONSOR OF THIS AMENDMENT,... |
| 00:41:16 |
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I HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE MODIFICATION OF THE ROCKEFELLER AMEND IT AS IT DEALS WITH THE ENZI AMENDMENT... |
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THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO FULFILL A COMMITMENT WE MADE EARLIER. THE VETERANS OF MEN AND, WE FOUND... |
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BECAUSE IT HAS A SCORE, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT BECOMES A NONENTITY AS FAR AS THE POLICY IS CONCERNED?... |
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WITH REGARD TO THE MODIFICATION TO THE ENZI AMENDMENT, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF... |
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SO, I MIGHT ADDITION HERE, THE NEW THRESHOLD FOR INDIVIDUALS WOULD BE $9,850 FOR RETIRED AND HIGH... |
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SENATOR, THAT IS NOT CORRECT. THE BASE CHAIRMAN'S MARK HAS THRESHOLD'S OF $8,000.20 $1,000, AND THEN... |
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WELL, THAT IS WHAT I SAID. $9,802 FOR AN INDIVIDUAL AND $26,000 FOR FAMILIES IN HIGH RISK AND RETIREES.... |
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DO WE HAVE A CBO SCORE ON THIS AMENDMENT? |
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WE DO, IN THE SENSE THAT THE CBO SCORED SAVINGS IN SENATOR ROCKEFELLER THIS AMENDMENT, AND THIS IS... |
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SO THE OFFSET HERE IS TIED TO THE SCORING OF THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT? |
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THE PREVIOUS ROCKEFELLER SAVE APPROXIMATELY $15 BILLION. THIS IS THE ALLOCATION OF THAT. TEXTED THAT... |
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LET ME JUST CONSULT. |
| 00:46:51 |
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COULD WE GET A LINE ITEM, HOW MUCH EACH ONE COSTS? |
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THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS TO THIS. ONE SCORED BY THE CBO AND 2, SCORED BY THE TAX COMMITTEE. THE... |
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SO THE MODIFICATION SOC-1 -- THE MODIFICATION OF C-1 WAS $4.4 BILLION. TEXT THAT WAS NOT WHAT THE... |
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I THINK WE ARE ENTERING HIS QUESTION. |
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THE MODIFICATION TO THE HIGH PREMIUM EXCISE TAX WE HAVE ESTIMATED AS ADDING AN ADDITIONAL $5.9 BILLION,... |
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ARE WE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS, OR IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT? I WOULD LIKE TO USE... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT SENATOR CRAPO IS DESCRIBING. I CAN... |
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DOES THAT THEREFORE CAUSE A BIG COST INCREASE IN THE BILL? |
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I DON'T KNOW. IT APPARENTLY CAUSES SOME EFFECT THAT CBO IS CONCERNED ABOUT. IT IS NOT THAT THEY ARE... |
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AND YET WE TURNED IT INTO A STEADY, WHICH THEY CAN DO. |
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IT SEEMS TO ME, IF YOU WANT TO OPERATE IN BAD FAITH, ONCE THEY HAVE TOLD YOU IT DOES NOT WORK, YOU... |
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THIS MAY BE REPETITIOUS, BUT AT THE TOP OF THE MEN AND THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE SECRETARY... |
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THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, HAS THE STAFF CHECKED WITH CTO ON THE ORIGINAL FORM OF THESE TWO AMENDMENTS... |
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MR. BARTHOLD, PERHAPS YOU COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. |
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ON THE BUNNING AMENDMENT RELATING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS, I HAD COMMUNICATED WITH THE... |
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SO CBO DID NOT GIVE A PRELIMINARY INDICATION THAT IT |
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NO. THEY DID NOT. WE MADE A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID WE DO NOT KNOW. |
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LET ME ASK THE QUESTION OF YOU, BECAUSE I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THE REASON WAS. I UNDERSTOOD... |
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AT A TECHNICAL LEVEL, THE WAY THE PROVISION WAS, IF THE SECRETARY CANNOT CERTIFY, THEN THERE IS NO... |
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I WILL JUST CONCLUDE BY SAYING IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THEY CAN STUDY AND MAKE A REPORT TO CONGRESS,... |
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MIGHT I JUST SAY THAT THIS MAY BE A CIRCUMSTANCE LATE AT NIGHT THAT THERE IS AN EXCESS OF CAUTION,... |
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I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO SOLVE THIS. ON OTHER AMENDMENTS, INSTEAD... |
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I THINK RATHER THAN TO UP A LOT MORE TIME, WE SHOULD ACCEPT THAT CONCEPT. I AM CONFIDENT YOU WOULD... |
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THAT IS A GOOD POINT. THEY ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT. . WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE LOWER END OF THE... |
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I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMISSION, BUT AS THIS REMOVE THE PEACE THAT EXEMPTED HOSPITALS FROM... |
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TO ANSWER THE SECOND QUESTION FIRST, THERE WERE NO ADDITIONAL CARVEOUTS ADDED. THE EXEMPTION IS FOR... |
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r ANOTHER QUESTION. THERE IS A REDUCTION OF THE SUBSIDY FOR THE MEDICARE DRUG BENEFIT. IF SO, THIS... |
| 01:03:25 |
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NO, SIR. A CLARIFICATION IN THE MODIFICATION IS THAT THE INTENT OF THIS PROVISION WAS TO APPLY THIS... |
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IT REFERS TO PART D PREMIUMS. |
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I WILL REFER TO MY COLLEAGUE. |
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IT SAYS FEDERAL PREMIUM SUBSIDIES TO THE PLANS. IT WILL HAVE THE EFFECT OF INCREASING PREMIUMS. |
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WELL, THE POINT OF THE CLARIFICATION WAS TO SUGGEST THAT THERE ARE WAYS OF REDUCING THE FEDERAL SPENDING... |
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IF YOU REDUCE SUBSIDIES, YOU WILL INCREASE PREMIUMS. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? |
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IF THE COMMISSION WAS TO CHOOSE THAT ROUTE, THAT COULD BE THE EFFECT BUT THIS IS NOT DIRECTING THE... |
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THE OTHER POINT THAT I WANT TO MAKE, THE AMENDMENT [INAUDIBLE] AND MY DOING THATnrBY DOING THAT YOU... |
| 01:06:59 |
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I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE TOTAL COST, WHAT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER? |
| 01:07:10 |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE 11.2 BILLION IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROVISIONS AND THAT... |
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SO, THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE PROVISIONS. |
| 01:07:40 |
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THOSE OTHER THREE THAT COST MONEY AND THEN THERE IS 15 MILLION IN SAVINGS FROM THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT... |
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IT CLARIFIES THAT THE COMMISSION MAY NOT PROPOSE CHANGES TO BENEFICIARY PREMIUMS UNDER CERTAIN SECTIONS.... |
| 01:09:17 |
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THAT'S CORRECT. THE INTENT OF THIS CLASSIFICATION IS NOT TO CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WAS INCLUDED.... |
| 01:10:35 |
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IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO REDUCE FEDERAL PREMIUM SUBSIDIES, IT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT. |
| 01:10:42 |
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IT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL MARKED UP? |
| 01:10:49 |
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IT IS NOT IN. WHAT WAS INTENDED WAS THAT THE COMMISSION HAD AVAILABLE AND THE CHANGES AND THESE ARE... |
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I RECALL IN OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. |
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OK. |
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DO NOT WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT THE MODIFICATIONS ARE BEING REMOVED? |
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THEY ARE NOT BEING REMOVED. |
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WHAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE REACHED EARLIER. |
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WE ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE SENATORS. WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE TWO... |
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FROM WHAT I AND STAND, & MORE NOW THAT WE HAD INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED... |
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I HAVE-- I THINK THAT TO THE CURE HAS GONE PAST THE PROBLEM. |
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I WOULD NOT CHARACTERIZE IT THAT WAY. |
| 01:12:43 |
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I WANT TO GET BACK TO THE PROVISION. IN THE CHAIRMAN'S MARK, IT SAID THE COMMISSION WOULD BE PROHIBITED... |
| 01:13:01 |
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VERY CLEAR, ISN'T IT? |
| 01:13:08 |
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WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? |
| 01:13:12 |
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THIS MODIFICATION CHANGES THAT AND WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT... |
| 01:13:23 |
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IN OTHER WORDS, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A CLARIFICATION. |
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I THINK SHE HAS A POINT. AS I RECALL, OUR DISCUSSIONS, THIS WAS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT POINT AND IT... |
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THE PROHIBITIONS THAT SHE REFERS TO REMAIN IN PLACE. THE FIRST CLARIFICATION STATES THAT COMMISSION... |
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IT DOESN'T HAVE TO RESTATE EVERYTHING IN THE MODIFIED MARKET. -- MARK. AS I AND STAND IT, THE PROHIBITION... |
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THIS PROVIDES CLARITY IN TERMS OF PREMIUMS. |
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CAN YOU ASSURE US THAT WHEN THIS LANGUAGE OF THIS AMENDMENT IS ADDED, THE PROHIBITIONS THAT PREVIOUSLY... |
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YES. |
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THANK YOU. |
| 01:15:10 |
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ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MODIFIED AMENDMENT? |
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WE WANT A RECORDED VOTE. |
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UPHAM [VOTING] |
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THE CLERK WILL TALLY THE VOTES. |
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THE FINAL TALLY IS 13-10. |
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THEN IT IS AGREED TO. THERE'S ONLY ONE POTENTIAL AMENDMENT REMAINING AND THAT IS OFFERED BY SENATOR... |
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THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AT THIS LATE HOUR, OUR COMMITTEE IS ABOUT TO TONIGHT OUR CONSTITUENTS SOMETHING... |
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DISCUSSION? |
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LET ME SAY THAT THE GENERAL IDEA THAT THE SENATOR HAS IS ONE THAT IS ATTRACTIVE TO ME, THE IDEA THAT... |
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IF I CAN RESPOND, THERE ARE TWO POINTS. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN THAT WE DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR THE ... |
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I DO NOT HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. I APOLOGIZE. |
| 01:30:42 |
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WOULD YOU YIELD FOR A QUESTION? |
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THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ANALYSIS INDICATED THAT OUR PROPOSAL WOULD NOT HAVE SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT... |
| 01:31:15 |
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IT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WITH THIS NEW-FOUND FREEDOM THAT THE EMPLOYEE, MAYBE THEY DID NOT LIKE THE... |
| 01:31:45 |
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THEY COULD CERTAINLY BY UP IF THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK, BOTH OF YOU ARE RAISING ... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE HEARD ON THE AMENDMENT? |
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LET ME SAY THAT SENATOR WYDEN IS A NEW CHAMPION FOR FREEDOM AROUND HERE. I HAVE A TENDENCY TO AGREE.... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT I HAVE A BIG RESPECT FOR THE COMMITMENT TO THIS ISSUE. HE HAS PUT A... |
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THE SENATOR HAS RAISED A COUPLE OF VERY IMPORTANT ISSUES. I DO HAVE THE LANGUAGE TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUE... |
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WE ARE NOT PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY INTO IT SO WE WILL NOT DO THAT. |
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THE CBO SAYS IT WILL NOT HAPPEN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT FUNDING. COLLEAGUES, THE LAST POINT I... |
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FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY I DON'T KNOW ANYONE OTHER THAN THE CHAIRMEN U.S.-MADE A MORE DEDICATED,... |
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IT WAS AN ANALYSIS OF JUST THIS AMENDMENT. I WOULD SAY TO COLLEAGUES THAT THE ANALYSIS OF THIS AMENDMENT... |
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SENATOR, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR RIGHT HERE. YET COME TO ME MANY TIMES TO GET MY ASSISTANCE. --... |
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I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO. WITH ALL RESPECT TO MY GOOD FRIEND FROM OREGON,... |
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MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE CHECKED WITH CBO AND I THINK THAT THERE IS CONFUSION. HERE'S WHAT WE JUST GOT... |
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I THINK IS WHERE IMPORTANT TO CLEAR THIS UP. I SENT ONE VERSION AND ONE VERSION ONLY TO CBO AND 8... |
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THIS IS A NOTE FROM CBO, FROM STILL ELLIPHIL ELLIS. "ALL WE SCORED WAS NOT GIVING THEM THE OPTION,... |
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I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE WORDS HERE THAT SAYS THERE WOULD NOT BE A SUBSTANTIAL EFFECT. I DON'T KNOW... |
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THE HOUR IS LATE AND I WILL NOT TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO WRAP UP. |
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BRIEFLY, THERE ARE SOME PRETTY TIRED PEOPLE HERE. |
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MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE NO CHOICE IN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. THAT IS THE FACT. WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH... |
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I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY IN FLEXIBLE SPENDING ACCOUNTS. PEOPLE USE THIS, ESPECIALLY... |
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THANK YOU. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE REASONABLE CAPS. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT... |
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SENATOR ROCKEFELLER IS RECOGNIZED. |
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JUST A FORMALITY. SENATOR BINGAMAN AND NELSON MUMBAI TO CO-SPONSOR MY MODIFIED AMENDMENT. -- WOULD... |
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I HAVE A QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS WHETHER THEY ARE WILLING TO MODIFY THE AMENDMENT WITH AN INDEXED... |
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2500 TO INFLATION? YOU USED -- |
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USE A PORTION. |
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TO INDEX IT? IF WE CAN INDEX IT TO MEDICAL INFLATION I WILL AGREE. |
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THAT WILL DO. |
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I STILL WANT TO ROLL CALL TO MAKE SURE. |
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WE ARE USING A PORTION TO PAY FOR THE INDEX. OTHERWISE, WE ARE LOSING THE REST. |
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CAN I JUST MAKE SURE THE WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT. |
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SENATOR CONRAD, WE HAVE PREPARED SOME ESTIMATES AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS RELATED TO THE FLEXIBLE SPENDING... |
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HOW WE DO THIS WAY -- WE DO IT FOR AS MANY YEARS THAT HAVE LEFT IN THE HELD IMPROVEMENT FUND? |
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WE NEED A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION TO MAKE SURE THIS BILL WORKS. |
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COULD I ASK A QUESTION? ARE WE REALLY SURE WANT TO INDEX IT TO MEDICAL INFLATION? |
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THAT IS WHAT HE USES FOR, FOR MEDICAL. |
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I DO NOTHING SO. |
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USE IT FOR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, BRACES, EYEGLASSES. IF YOU HAVE AN AUTISTIC CHILD, USE IT FOR WHEELCHAIR... |
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CAN I GIVE BACK TO THE POINT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A SCORE ON THAT. |
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THEM AS TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT. I WAS WILLING TO DO COMPROMISE. THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT SAYS AWARDED... |
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THAT IS FAIR. IT IS FAIR TO HAVE A VOTE. SOME OF US WILL BE CONSTRAINED TO OPPOSE IT BECAUSE WE HAVE... |
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I DO NOT KNOW. LET'S VOTE ON THE REGULAR INDEX. I URGE MY COLLEAGUES TO REMEMBER THAT THE REASON WHY... |
| 02:07:26 |
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I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS MORE CAREFULLY, BUT THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY ESTIMATE TO... |
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THANK YOU. |
| 02:07:38 |
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WE NEED TO HOLD THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR BILL TOGETHER. |
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THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. AYE. AYE BY PROXY. AYE.... |
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TALLY THE VOTES. |
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11 AYES, 12 NAYES. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT AGREED TO. |
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SENATOR GRASSLEY IS RECOGNIZED. |
| 02:09:29 |
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FOR MY 11 OR 10 REPUBLICAN MEMBERS, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING WRONG,... |
| 02:10:28 |
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ESSENTIALLY. WE SEND THE COMPLETED BILL OVER TO CBO. CBO WILL GIVE US A PRELIMINARY SCORE. MY EXPECTATION... |
| 02:11:59 |
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I THINK WE CAN DO WHAT I SAID AND WHAT YOU JUST SAID. AND MAYBE IT DID NOT MAKE MYSELF VERY CLEAR.... |
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OBVIOUSLY HAD THE BILL AND WHAT TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY. -- OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD THE BILL ... |
| 02:12:55 |
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CAN I CLARIFIED THEN THAT ONCE WE RECEIVE THE DOCUMENT THAT HE SENT TO CBO, IT WILL NOT BE CHANGED... |
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NO, ONCE RESCINDED TO CBO, -- ONCE WE SEND IT TO CBO, WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE SCORE IS. IF THE BILL... |
| 02:13:31 |
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I UNDERSTAND. BUT IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, THEN THE COMMITTEE WOULD RECONVENE. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE... |
| 02:13:46 |
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CAN I INQUIRE WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TIME, SO WE HAVE SOME IDEA? |
| 02:13:53 |
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AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE WILL HAVE TO EXERCISE OUR BEST JUDGMENT. I DO NOT WANT TO RUSH ANYTHING. |
| 02:14:09 |
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A SECOND POINT THAT YOU HAD MADE HIS BED -- IS THAT YOUR MARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GOAL OF ENDING THE... |
| 02:14:22 |
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I HOPE SO. I IMAGINE IF THEY DO NOT, THE QUESTIONS ASKED WILL BE OF A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THE OTHER... |
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THANK YOU TO YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. |
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ARE YOU DONE? |
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NO, I AM NOT. I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE ABOUT READY TO DROP OFF THEIR CHAIRS. THEY WORKED SO HARD.... |
| 02:17:59 |
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I WAS SUPPOSED TO GIVE MY STAFF A LOT OF TIME OFF. [LAUGHTER] WHAT I WANTED TO SAY IS THERE IS A PRODUCT... |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. -- I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. |
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] |
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THE COMMITTEE WILL STAND IN RECESS UNTIL 10:00 TUESDAY. [CAPTIONING PERFORMED BY NATIONAL CAPTIONING... |
NOTE: The transcript for this program was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.
