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MR. BROKAW, -
Good evening from Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee. I'm Tom Brokaw of NBC News, and welcome to this second presidential debate... |
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Question, -
With the economy on the downturn, and retired and older citizens and workers losing their incomes, what's the fastest, most positive solution... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, Allen, thank you very much for the question. I want to first obviously thank Belmont University. Tom, thank you, and to all of you... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, thank you, Tom. Thank you, Belmont University. And Senator Obama, it's good to be with you at a town hall meeting. And... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator, we have one minute for a discussion here. Obviously, the powers of the Treasury secretary have been greatly expanded, the most... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Not you, Tom. (Laughter.) |
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MR. BROKAW, -
(Chuckles.) (Inaudible.) With good reason. (Laughter.) |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
You know, that's a tough question. And there's a lot of qualified Americans. But I think the first criteria, Tom, would have to be somebody... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Yup. All right. Senator McCain -- Senator Obama, who do you have in mind for a Treasury secretary? |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, Warren would be a pretty good choice, Warren Buffett, and I'm pleased to have his support. But there are other folks out there. The... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama, thank you very much. May I remind both of you, if I can, that we're operating under rules that you signed off on, and when... |
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Question, -
Well, Senators, through this economic crisis, most of the people that I know have had a difficult time. And through this bailout package,... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, thank you, Oliver. And that's an excellent question because, as you just described it, "bailout" when I believe that it's "rescue."... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, Oliver, first let me tell you what's in the rescue package for you. Right now, the credit markets are frozen up. And what that means as... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama, time for a discussion. I'm going to begin with you. Are you saying to Mr. Clark and to the other members of the American... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
No. I am confident about the American economy, but we are going to have to have some leadership from Washington that not only sets out much... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, in all candor, do you think the economy's going to get worse before it gets better? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
I think it depends on what we do. I think if we act effectively -- if we stabilize the housing market, which I believe we can if we go out... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Yeah. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
And they are the innocent bystanders here in what is the biggest financial crisis and challenge of our time. We can do it. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Thank you, Senator McCain. We're going to continue over in Section F, as it turns out. Senator Obama, this is a question from (sic) you,... |
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Question, -
How can we trust either of you with our money when both parties got us into this global economic crisis? |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, look, I understand your frustration and your cynicism, because while you've been carrying out your responsibilities, most of the people... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, Teresa, thank you. And I can see why you feel that cynicism and mistrust, because the system in Washington is broken. And I... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
-- $700 billion a year overseas. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
We've run out of time. We have this one-minute discussion period going on here. There are new economic realities out there, that everyone... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
That was -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
The three priorities were health -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
The three, health -- health care, energy, and entitlement reform -- Social Security and Medicare. In what order will you put them in terms... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
I -- I think you can work on all three at once, Tom. I think it's very important that we reform our entitlement programs. My friends, we... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
I'm trying to play by the rules that you all established: one minute for discussion. Senator Obama, if you would, give us your list of priorities. There... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
We're going to have to prioritize, just like a family has to prioritize. Now, I've listed the things that I think have to be at the top... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
All right. Gentlemen, I want to just remind you one more time about time. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
(Laughs.) |
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MR. BROKAW, -
We're going to have a larger deficit than the federal government does if we don't get this under control here before too long. (Laughter.) We... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, Fiorra, I'm going to ask the American people to understand that there are some programs that we may have to eliminate. I first proposed... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, thank you very much. Senator Obama? |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
You know, a lot of you remember the tragedy of 9/11 and where you were on that day and, you know, how all of the country was ready to come... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama, as we begin very quickly our discussion period, President Bush, you'll remember last summer said that Wall Street got drunk.... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, I think it starts with Washington. We've got to show that we've got good habits because if we're running up trillion-dollar debts... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
You know, nailing down Senator Obama's various tax proposals is like nailing Jell-O to the wall. There's been five or six of them. And if... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama, we have another question from the Internet. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Tom, can I respond to this briefly, because -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Well, look, guys, the rules -- |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
I understand. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
-- were established by the two campaigns. We worked very hard on this. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Right. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
This will address, I think, the next question -- |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
The -- the -- the tax issue, because I think it's very important. Go ahead. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
(Laughs.) There are lots of issues that we're going to be dealing with here tonight. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Let's go. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
And we have a question from Langdon (sp) in Ballston Spa, New York, and that's about huge unfunded obligations for Social Security, Medicare... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, Tom, we're going to have to take on entitlements, and I think we've got to do it quickly. We're going to have a lot of work to do,... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, two years for reform of entitlement programs? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Sure. Hey, I'll answer the question. (Laughter.) Look, it's not that hard to fix Social Security, Tom. It's just tough decisions. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
And Medicare. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
I want to get to Medicare in a second. Social Security is not that tough. We know what the problems are, my friends, and we know what the... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, thank you very much. I'm going to stick by my part of the pact and not ask a follow-up here. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
(Laughs.) |
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MR. BROKAW, -
The next question does come from the hall for Senator McCain. It comes from Section C over here and it's from Ingrid Jackson. Ingrid? |
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Question, -
Senator McCain, I want to know -- we saw that Congress moved pretty fast in the face of a(n) economic crisis. I want to know what you would... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, thank you. Look, we are in tough economic times. We all know that. And let's keep -- never forget the struggle that Americans are... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama? |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
This is one of the biggest challenges of our times, and it is absolutely critical that we understand this is not just a challenge, it's... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Gentlemen, you may not have noticed, but we have lights around here. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
(Laughs.) |
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MR. BROKAW, -
They have -- they have red and green -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
All right. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
-- and yellow, and they are to signal to -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Tell you what -- |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
I'm just trying to keep up with John, you know? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Tell you what -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Okay, here -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Tell you what, Tom: wave -- wave like that way and I'll look at you. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
All right, Senator. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Okay. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Here's a follow-up to that, one-minute discussion. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Sure. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
It's a simple question. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Sure. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Should we fund a Manhattan-like Project -- that developed the nuclear bomb -- to deal with global energy and alternative energy? Or should... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
I think pure research and development investment on the part of the -- of the United States government is certainly appropriate. I think... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
(Laughs.) Thank you very much, Senator. Next question for you, Senator Obama, and it comes from the E section over here. And it's from Lindsey... |
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Question, -
Senator, selling health care coverage in America as a marketable commodity has become a very profitable industry. Do you believe health... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, you know, as I travel around the country, this is one of the single most frequently asked issues that I get, is the issue of health... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, thank you for the question. You -- you -- you really identified one of the really major challenges that America faces. Copayments... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Quick discussion: Is health care in America a privilege, a right, or a responsibility? Senator McCain. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
I think it's a responsibility in this respect, in that we should have available and affordable health care to every American citizen, to... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, why don't -- why don't -- let's talk about this, Tom, because there -- there was just a lot of stuff out there that -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Privilege, right or responsibility? Let's start with that. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, I think it should be a right for every American. In a country as wealthy as ours, for us to have people who are going bankrupt because... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
-- what happens is, is that the protections you have, the consumer protections that you need, you're not going to have available to you.... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator, we want to move on now. We come back to the hall here. We're going to shift gears here a little bit and we're going to go to foreign... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Before we leave that, did we hear the size of the fine? (Chuckles.) |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Phil Elliot is over here in this section, and Phil Elliot has a question for Senator McCain. Phil? |
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Question, -
Yes, Senator McCain. How will all the recent economic stress affect our nation's ability to act as a peacemaker in the world? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, I thank you for that question because there's no doubt, and history shows us, that nations that are strong militarily over time have... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama, the economic constraints on U.S. military action around the world. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, you know, Senator McCain, in the last debate and today again, suggested that I don't understand. It's true; there are some things... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama, let me ask you -- see if we can establish tonight the Obama doctrine and the McCain doctrine for the use of United States... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, we may not always have national security issues at stake, but we have moral issues stake. I mean, if -- if -- if we could have intervened... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, the McCain doctrine, if you will. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, let me just follow up, my friends. If we had done what Senator Obama wanted done in Iraq, and that was set a date for withdrawal,... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, thank you very much. Next question for Senator Obama. It comes from the F Section, and it's from Katie Hamm. Katie? |
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Question, -
Should the United States respect Pakistani sovereignty and not pursue al Qaeda terrorists who maintain bases there, or should we ignore... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, Katie, it's a terrific question. And we have a difficult situation in Pakistan. I believe that part of the reason we have a difficult... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, Katie, thank you. You know, my hero is a guy named Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt used to say, walk softly -- talk softly but carry... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Tom -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain -- |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Tom, just a quick follow-up on this. I think -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
If we're going to have follow-ups, then I will want follow-ups as well. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
No, no, I know that. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Be fine with me. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
I think we'll get at it, if I can, with this question. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Be fine with me. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Let's have one. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
All right, let's have a follow-up. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Be fine with me. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Just a quick follow-up, because I think this is important. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Sure. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
I'm just the hired help here, so, I mean -- (laughter). |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
You're doing a great job, Tom. Look, I want to be very clear about what I said. Nobody called for the invasion of Pakistan. Senator McCain... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Thank you very much. (Laughs.) |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Senator McCain, this is the guy who sang "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran;" who called for the annihilation of North Korea. That I don't think is... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Tom, if -- if we're going to go back and forth, I then -- I'd like to have equal time to go -- to respond to -- |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Yeah, you get to -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
-- to -- to this. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Last word here, and then we have to move on. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
I mean, not true. Not true. I have obviously supported those efforts that the United States had to go in militarily, and I have opposed... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Can I get a quick response from the two of you about developments in Afghanistan this week? The senior British military commander, who is... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
I'll be very brief. We are going to have to make the Iraqi government start taking more responsibility, withdraw our troops in a responsible... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, briefly. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
General Petraeus has just taken over a position of responsibility, where he has the command and will really set the tone for the strategy... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, this question is from you, from the Internet. It's from Alden (sp) in Hewitt, Texas. "How can we apply pressure to Russia... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
First of all, may I say I don't think -- we're not going to have another Cold War with -- with Russia. But have no doubt that Russia's behavior... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama? We're -- |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
It will not be a reignition of the Cold War, but Russia is a challenge. |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama? We're winding down, so if we can keep track of the time. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, the resurgence of Russia is one of the central issues that we're going to have to deal with in the next presidency. And for the most... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
This requires only a yes or a no. Ronald Reagan famously said that the Soviet Union was the "evil empire." Do you think that Russia under... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
I think they've engaged in evil behavior, and I think that it is important that we understand they're not the old Soviet Union, but they... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Maybe. (Laughter.) |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Maybe? |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Depends on how we respond to Russia and depends on a lot of things. If I say yes, then that means that we're reigniting the old Cold War.... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
All right. We're going to try to get in two more questions, if we can, so we have to move along. Over in Section A, Terry Shirey. Do I have... |
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Question, -
Senator, as a retired Navy chief, my thoughts are often with those who serve our country. I know both candidates -- both of you expressed... |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, thank you, Terry, and thank you for your service to the country. I want to say, everything I ever learned about leadership... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator Obama. |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
Well, Terry, first of all, we honor your service, and -- and we're grateful for it. We cannot allow Iran to get a nuclear weapon. It would... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
All right. Gentlemen, we've come to the last question, and you'll both be interested to know -- this comes from the Internet and it's from... |
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SEN. OBAMA, -
My wife, Michelle, is there, and she could give you a much longer list than I do. (Laughter.) And most of the time, I learn it by asking... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Senator McCain, you get the last word. Senator Obama had the opening. You're last up. |
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SEN. MCCAIN, -
Well, thank you, Tom. And I think what I don't know is what all of us don't know. And that's what's going to happen both here at home and... |
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MR. BROKAW, -
Thank you very much, Senator McCain. That concludes tonight's debate from here in Nashville. We want to thank our hosts here at Belmont... |