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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
ANY WAY. HOWEVER A GROWING NUMBER OF EXPERTS THINK THERE IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN. THE AMOUNT OF RADIATION EMITTED BY CELL PHONES ALBEIT SMALL BILLIONS...
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
ON CANCER, FROM THE UNIVERSITY HE WROTE A BOOK ON CANCER WHICH I FOUND TO BE VERY ILLUMINATING. I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF BOUTS WITH HODGKIN'S AND WAS FASCINATED...
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
BILLION MORE WHICH HAS WEAKENED THE INTEREST IN RESEARCH WITH 15,000 GRANTS WITH A LEVEL OF FUNDING WHICH RESULTED IN ACROSS-THE-BOARD CUTS AND TAKING...
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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
WHAT SEE LET'S SAY SEVEN OR EIGHT MINUTES, OKAY? I WON'T HAVE A STRICT CAP ALONG THAT TRY TO KEEP IT TO SEVEN MINUTES OR SO IN THE TESTIMONY. THE FIRST...
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
BUCHER DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM. CELLULAR TELEPHONE IS RADIOFREQUENCY ENERGY OR RADIATION FOR MOBILE COMMUNICATIONS. WIRELESS COMMUNICATION DEVICES...
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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, DR. BUCHER, THAT HE WANTED -- >> NOW THAT
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Unidentified Speaker, -
WE HAVE THE POWER POINT PRESENTATION WE WERE JUST GOING TO SHOW PICTURES TO GIVE YOU
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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
A SENSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE OPERATION. THESE ARE THE CHAMBERS THAT WERE DESIGNED AND BUILT IN SWITZERLAND AND THEN SHIPPED TO THE RESEARCH INSTITUTE...
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Unidentified Speaker, -
YOU CAN SEE THEY WERE LARGE ENOUGH TO
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
PLACE A CRANE AND A DROP IN TO AN UNDERGROUND LABORATORY FACILITY WHERE THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY BEING RECEIVED AND MOVED INTO PLACE. AND HERE IS THE PICTURE...
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| 00:15:16 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND, SINCE WE -- THIS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN WORKING WITH
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
RESEARCHERS FOR MANY YEARS I A UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THAT SORT OF RESEARCH. THE SUBJECT RODENTS TO RADIATION IN WAYS YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY ON PEOPLE....
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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
IN THESE CHAMBERS WE LEARN A LOT ABOUT THE BASIC SCIENCE, BUT MANY OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING STUDIES INVOLVING HUMANS. MORE SO IT SEEMS THAN IN THE ...
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| 00:16:42 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
SUPPORTING ONE OF THE PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS ON THE PHONE STUDY BUT I COULD CHECK THAT CERTAINLY AND MAKE SURE >> I HAVE 13 COUNTRIES I JUST DON'T SEE...
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| 00:16:57 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THAT. >> SO WHY AREN'T WE DOING MORE ON
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| 00:17:01 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
THE EPIDEMIOLOGY? >> I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I
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| 00:17:11 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THE GRAND PROPOSALS THAT HAVE COME INTO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES
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| 00:17:20 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
OF HEALTH. THE ONE STUDY I MENTIONED EARLIER BY ELIZABETH IS BEING FUNDED BY
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| 00:17:26 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH AND THAT AS I UNDERSTOOD LOOKING AT AT LEAST SOME OF THE COLEWORTS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE PHONE STUDY. I DO KNOW WITH...
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| 00:18:49 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
RADIATION EXPOSURES. THE KEY IS WE HAVE THE WEIGHT OF CURRENT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE ISN'T CONCLUSIVE FLEET ITSELF ON WITH HEALTH PROBLEMS. WHAT DOES THAT...
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| 00:19:36 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
BEEN EXPOSED TO RADIO FREQUENCY FIELDS TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS. AND I THINK THAT EACH OF THESE AREAS WITH RESPECT TO...
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| 00:21:53 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
SO CELL PHONES? >> YES, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION,
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| 00:21:59 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
I AM SORRY. >> WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL RISK FOR CHILDREN AND USING CELL PHONES? I'VE WRITTEN A LETTER TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HELP THAT THE BRAIN...
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| 00:22:19 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
SOMETHING TO
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
THAT. >> I THINK WITH RESPECT TO MANY EXPOSURES TO MANY AGENTS AS WE STUDY MORE AND MORE AGENTS AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT LIFE STAGES WHERE THESE AGENTS...
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
GOT FIVE [INAUDIBLE] >> CHILDREN HAVE A CONFIGURATION OF THE SKULLS THAT DOES ALLOW PENETRATION OF CILLUFFO AND MEDIATION DE PER -- >> ARE YOU SAY THERE...
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| 00:23:00 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
IS POTENTIALLY GREATER RISK. >> WHAT LIMITATIONS IF ANY IF PARENTS ARE WATCHING THIS ON C-SPAN WHAT SHOULD THEY
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| 00:23:08 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
DO? >> I WISH I HAD A GOOD ANSWER TO THAT. >> WOULD THERE BE
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| 00:23:15 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
A PRECAUTIONARY APPROACH? I
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| 00:23:20 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE
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| 00:23:24 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE A LIMITATION. IS THAT TRUE? >> YES. >> WOULD YOU RECOMMEND
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| 00:23:32 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
THAT? >> I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE IN THE POSITION TO MAKE THAT
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| 00:23:36 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
RECOMMENDATION. .. >>
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
THERE IS A $24 MILLION STUDY UNDERWAY. IS THAT ADEQUATE -- BEING CONDUCTED BY THE FEDERAL AGENCY. >> THIS STUDY IS GOING TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE THREE...
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| 00:24:41 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
WILL ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS OF THE BEST OF THE ABILITY OF THAT TECHNOLOGY. >> SHOULD THERE BE
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| 00:24:49 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
STUDIES ON HUMANS IN THE UNITED STATES AS THERE ARE ELSEWHERE? >> I CERTAINLY WOULD SUGGEST THAT THERE SHOULD BE STUDIES ON HUMANS, YES. I BELIEVE --...
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| 00:25:09 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
THAT NOW. I COULD DO THAT. >>
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| 00:25:13 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
TOMORROW? I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT NOW, BUT DO IT AS SOON AS YOU
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| 00:25:20 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
CAN? >> OKAY. >> PRIVATE COMPANIES HAVE MADE CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR -- SOME OF THE STUDIES, IT'S MY
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| 00:25:27 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
UNDERSTANDING. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT AND TO WHAT EXTENT PRIVATE COMPANIES
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| 00:25:33 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
ARE HELPING? >> YES. TO SOME EXTENT. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME STUDIES THAT
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| 00:25:41 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
HAVE LOOKED AT THE LITERATURE WITH RESPECT TO
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| 00:25:43 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
WHO IS FUNDING PARTICULAR INVESTIGATORS. AND THE ONE STUDY I RECALL INDICATED THAT 20% OF THE PAPERS PUBLISHED FROM STUDIES DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE
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| 00:25:56 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
IS FUNDING FROM PRIVATE -- >> WELL, STUDIES, BUT YOU LOOK AT THE LITERATURE DOESN'T GO TOO FAR. IS THERE RESEARCH BEING DONE THAT IS TO BE PUT IN THE...
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| 00:26:22 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
STUMPAGE AND -- SUBJECT AND GIVE US A WRITTEN RESPONSE? >> I WILL. >> I NOTICE IN THE BRIEFING MATERIALS THAT CELL PHONES SHOULD NOT BE USED IN AREAS...
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| 00:26:36 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
RECEPTION IS WEAK OR BLOCKED, SUCH AS ELEVATORS
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| 00:26:41 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
AND TRAINS. IS THAT SO? AND IF SO, WHY? >> THE POWER THAT IS REQUIRED
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| 00:26:48 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
TO REACH THE CELL BASE STATION
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| 00:26:50 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
IS HIGHER IN THOSE SITUATIONS, THEREFORE THERE'S MOW RADIO FREQUENCY RADIATION TRANSMITTED. >> ON THE ELEVATOR MY CELL PHONE CONKS OUT. IS
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| 00:27:08 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
THERE MORE FREQUENCY? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE THE CELL PHONE IS TRYING TO REACH THE EXTENSION. >> THE RED LIGHT CAME ON. WOULD YOU GIVE...
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| 00:27:23 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
INVOLVED AND WHY THERE OUGHT TO BE EXTRA PRECAUTIONS ARE IN THOSE
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| 00:27:31 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
CIRCUMSTANCES IN AN ELEVATOR. >> I WILL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>
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| 00:27:36 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS. DR. BUCHER, LET ME ASK. HOW LONG WITNESS -- WILL IT TAKE YOU TO DO YOUR ANALYSIS? >> IT WILL BE TAKING PLACE...
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Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
WE WILL BE REPORTING
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Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
IN 2014. >> WHY THAT LONG? >> THERE'S A THREE YEAR PERIOD OF TEAM THAT ANIMALS ARE EXPOSED, AND THEN IT TAKES TIME TO EXAMINE. >> WILL THERE
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| 00:28:14 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
BE ANY PRELIMINARY NUMBERS? >> IT'S A THREE-PHASE STUDY AND THERE WILL BE INFORMATION AVAILABLE FROM THE FIRST TWO STAGES EARLIER THAN THAT ABOUT THEY...
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| 00:28:26 |
Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
DEFINITIVE
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
RESPECT TO OUTCOMES SUCH AS CANCERS. >> DO YOU
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| 00:28:34 |
Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
KNOW IF WIRELESS PHONES WERE TESTED BEFORE THEY CAME ON THE MARKET? HOW
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| 00:28:38 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
MUCH TESTING WAS DONE OR NOT DONE? >> WITH RESPECT TO HEALTH,-RELATED TESTING? I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >> I THINK THERE WOULD BE A LOT OF...
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| 00:28:54 |
Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
KNOW IF ANYTHING WAS DONE. MY SENSE IS THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VERY STRONG SUSPICIONS.THIS, BUT I THINK WE NEED
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| 00:29:05 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
TO LOOK CLOSELY AT THE SCIENCE AND LOOK AT
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| 00:29:10 |
Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
THE STUDIES, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. THEIR OTHER STUDIES GOING ON, EITHER IN THIS COUNTRY OR AROUND THE WORLD THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? >> THERE ARE...
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> THANK
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| 00:29:43 |
Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
YOU, SENATOR. DR. BUCHER -- I LEFT MY CELL PHONE
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Bucher, John - Associate Director
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Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
SOMEPLACE. I HAVE ONE OF
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| 00:29:57 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
THESE. FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT,
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| 00:30:00 |
Pryor, Mark - U.S. Senator, [D] Arkansas
WE KNOW THE SCIENCE IS NOT QUITE DEFINITIVE YET. WE
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| 00:30:06 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
KNOW WHAT THE WEIGHT OF IT IS. IF I HAVE CELL PHONE AND I WAS GOING TO TALK ON IT LIKE THIS, OR IF I COULD USE THIS DEVICE HERE, WHICH I PLUG INTO IT,...
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| 00:30:56 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
DO THIS, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE A DEVICE LIKE THIS? >> AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YES. >> NOW, AS OPPOSED TO BLUE TOOTH. BLUE TOOTH IS AN ELECTRONIC
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| 00:31:09 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
DEVICE AND IT STILL RECEIVES THE ELECTROMAGNETIC LOW FREQUENCY RADIATION. WOULD THIS BE BETTER THAN
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| 00:31:22 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
BLUE TOOTH? >> I DO NOT
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| 00:31:25 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
OWN A BLUE TOOTH. >> THAT IS NOT BLUE TOOTH. THIS IS WIRED. >> SORRY. >> BLUE TOOTH IS THAT -- SOMETHING THAT GETS THE INFORMATION WITHOUT ANY -- YOU...
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| 00:31:47 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
RADIO FREQUENCIES NEAR YOUR HEAD, EVEN WHEN
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| 00:31:49 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
YOU TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE IN A BLUE TOOTH,
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| 00:31:53 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
YOU'RE GETTING THE TRANSMISSION CLOSE TO YOUR BRAIN, AND ON THIS, OF
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| 00:31:58 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
COURSE, IT'S DOWN HERE QUITE A WAYS AWAY. >> I STAND CORRECTED. >> YOU SAY THIS IS PREFERRABLE? >> YES. >> I'M GOING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTION OF THE...
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| 00:32:26 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
THE WORK YOU DO AT
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| 00:32:30 |
Bucher, John - Associate Director
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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THE LABORATORIES. THANK YOU, DR. BUCHER. NOW WE CALL OUR SECOND PANEL. A BIG PANEL. I WILL INTRODUCE THEM AND YOU CAN TAKE YOUR SEATS ACCORDINGLY....
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Leszczynski, Dariusz - Research Professor
BIOCHEMISTRY. I WOULD LIKE ALSO TO THANK THE PEOPLE WHO MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS HEARING. I HAVE BEEN WORKING DOING BASICALLY...
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| 00:41:10 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
A SUBSTANTIAL PROPORTION OF THE WORLD POPULATION AND WHICH HAS GREAT IMPORTANCE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH. MY RECENT TESTIMONY, I AM A
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| 00:41:19 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
PHYSICIAN, BOARD-CERTIFIED
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Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
IN EPIDEMIOLOGY AND PUBLIC HEALTH. I AM THE
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| 00:41:24 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
DIRECTOR OF THE
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| 00:41:26 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
CANCERS EPIDEMIOLOGY UNIT. I AM INVOLVED IN RESEARCH AND I ADVICE THE CHIEF DIRECTOR OF HEALTH ON RADIATION AND CANCER. I'M ENGAGED IN STUDIES ON BRAIN...
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| 00:47:14 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THAT BUTTON. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE BEEN ASKED BY THE CTIA TO PREPARE TODAY TO PROVIDE MY INDEPENDENT ASSESSMENT OF THE SCIENCE RELATED TO POTENTIAL HEALTH...
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| 00:47:36 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
IN ENVIRONMENTAL EPIDEMIOLOGY AND HEALTH RISK ASSESSMENT. I EARNED A Ph.D FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA AND I HAVE A MASTER SCIENCE. MUCH OF MY WORK...
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| 00:58:27 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
ADVOCACY RESEARCH TO
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| 00:58:28 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
INVALIDATE THE SCIENCE AND WHEN THOSE SCIENTISTS CONFIRMED THE WORK IT WAS NEVER PUBLISHED. A SIMILAR STORY CAN BE TOLD TODAY IN EUROPE ABOUT A MAJOR...
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| 01:01:18 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
LAST WEEK. PLEASE PROCEED. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE IM A SCIENTIST AT ENVIRONMENTAL WORKING GROUP AND ORGANIZATION BASED IN WASHINGTON,...
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| 01:01:45 |
Naidenko, Olga - Senior Scientist
OPPORTUNITY. LAST WEEK THEY RELEASED A TEN MONTH INVESTIGATION OF MORE THAN 200 PEER REVIEW STUDIES GOVERNMENT ADVISORIES AND INDUSTRY DOCUMENTS ON...
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| 01:06:36 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
ALLOWS VISITORS TO TRACK TO THE CONTRACT SMART PHONES. IS THAT LIST AVAILABLE? CAN I LOOK AND SEE WHAT MODELS WOULD BELOW LIST AND WOULD BE HIGHEST?...
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| 01:07:14 |
Naidenko, Olga - Senior Scientist
RELEASED. >> YOU ALSO SAY THAT YOU'RE FINDING IS TEXT AND TRUMP'S TALKING. THAT IS YOUR FIRST TAPE, RIGHT HERE. BUT TAXING COSTS MONEY. IT COSTS MORE...
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| 01:07:36 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
RIGHT ON CUE. [LAUGHTER] ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER? [LAUGHTER] SO YOU WOULD SAY TEXT RATHER THAN TALK BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT EXPENSIVE. WELL, YOU KNOW,...
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| 01:09:25 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
THE SAME SIDE AND THE STUDY ALSO SHOWS INCREASED RISK FOR PEOPLE IN THE HIGH CATEGORY. HOWEVER WHAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS STANDARDS FOR RESEARCH...
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| 01:10:51 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
IS EVIDENCE OF SIGNIFICANT INCREASED RISK NEARLY DOUBLED RISK OF MALIGNANT BRAIN TUMORS. IS THAT THE CORRECT INTERPRETATION? >> I CANNOT COMMENT ON THE...
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| 01:11:23 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
USERS. THE TERM LONG-TERM USER IS NOT VERY CORRECT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO TALK MORE THAN TEN YEARS. >> DR. DAVIS, YOU SAID THE ONE...
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| 01:11:39 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
AS TEENAGERS. PROFESSOR
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| 01:11:41 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
LEONARD OF SWEDEN HAS FOUND THOSE WHO STARTED TO USE CELL PHONES HEAVILY BEFORE AGE 20 HAVE FOUR TO SIX TIMES MORE BRAIN TUMORS THAN BY THE TIME THEY...
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| 01:11:56 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THAT? >> ABSOLUTELY. TOMORROW WITH THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE HELD A FEW BLOCKS AWAY I INVITE YOUR STAFF TO ATTEND AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING AND THERE...
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| 01:12:19 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
COUNTRIES AND ISRAEL THE HAVE BEEN USING CELL PHONES A LOT LONGER AND A LOT MORE HEAVILY THAN WE HAVE. SO UNFORTUNATELY, THEY HAVE SOME OF THE DATA....
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| 01:13:38 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
YOUR LIKE THIS AND TALKING OR YOU COULD USE AN EARPHONE LIKE THIS WITH A SPEAKER DOWN HERE WHAT WHAT YOU DO? >> I PERSONALLY AND MY INSTITUTION IS ADVISING...
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| 01:14:11 |
Leszczynski, Dariusz - Research Professor
SAME THING. >> I RECOGNIZE THE USE OF THE PHONE WOULD DECREASE A PERSON'S EXPOSURE. I DON'T THINK -- I CAN'T AGREE IT REDUCES THE RISK BECAUSE I DON'T...
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| 01:14:30 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
STUDIES TAKEN TOGETHER WITH ALL OF THE COMPLICATIONS I DON'T
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| 01:14:34 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
THINK THIS
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| 01:14:35 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
ASSESSMENT SUGGESTS THERE IS RISK FROM USING A CELLPHONE. >> DR. DAVIS? >> I BROUGHT MY EARPIECE BUT I WANT TO GO ON TO READ WHAT THE SITE SINCE THE...
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| 01:15:00 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
TAKE TO REDUCE THE EXPOSURE
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| 01:15:02 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
APPLY TO CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS AS WELL. BULLETS, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TIME SPENT ON THE CELL PHONE, BULLETS, USE SPEAKER MODE OR SET TO PLACE MORE...
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| 01:16:49 |
Naidenko, Olga - Senior Scientist
THE DISTANCE IS SHORTER SO THE RADIATION PUT OUT THAN A CELLPHONE WOULD PUT
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| 01:16:58 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
OUT BASED ON THE SCIENCE REVIEW WE'VE
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| 01:17:02 |
Naidenko, Olga - Senior Scientist
OUT EXPERTS HAVE CREATED DISTINGUISHED COLLEAGUES AND EARPIECE SUCH AS THE ONE YOU HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES IN SWITZERLAND DO FEEL FOR THE GOOD CHOICE AND...
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| 01:17:55 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
CONCERNED ABOUT. >>
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| 01:18:00 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN >> IF THERE ARE USUALLY IT IS THE BOY TO THIS BETTER THAN THE CELL PHONE ITSELF BUT THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHICH THE PLATOON'S INVOLVES...
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| 01:18:26 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
PHONE ADAPTS WITH A BASE STATION ALL
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| 01:18:28 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
THE TIME BESIDES WE ARE WORRIED WHEN PEOPLE WHERE THE BLUE TOOTH IT IS SO COMFORTABLE IT IS BECOME PART OF YOUR BODY THEY WILL TALK MORE AND MORE AND...
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| 01:19:06 |
Leszczynski, Dariusz - Research Professor
IT IS MUCH EASIER TO REMEMBER DR. DAVIS MENTIONED WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BLUE TO THE INTERIOR THEY USUALLY KEEP THE CELL PHONE SOMEWHERE IN THEIR POCKET AND...
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| 01:20:06 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
INSTITUTES OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SCIENCES IN THIS COUNTRY AND RESEARCHERS IN EUROPE. IN THE RECENT PROJECT AND OTHERS. IF WE LOOK AT EXPERIMENTAL...
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| 01:20:16 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
WE LOOK AT HUMAN STUDIES AS COMMENTED -- >> TELL ABOUT THE EXPERIMENTAL STUDY. >> HERE WE GO. THIS IS A MODEL OF THE BRAIN AND WHILE THE PRECISE INFORMATION...
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| 01:20:41 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
THERE IS
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| 01:20:43 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
MORE ABSORPTION -- WAIT A MINUTE, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. THAT ESTABLISHES MORE ABSORPTION FROM A 5-YEAR-OLD BUT THAT ISN'T MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION...
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| 01:21:01 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
CANCER? >> THE PROCESS OF CANCER ARISES FROM DIFFERENT INSULTS TO OUR DNA, THE BASIC BUILDING BLOCKS OF GENETIC MATERIAL INSIDE OF OURSELVES. RESEARCHERS...
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| 01:21:23 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
SHOCK PROTEINS THE BODY FORMS IN RESPONSE TO STRESS -- >> WAIT A MINUTE. WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS. WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES. >> I THINK I CAN DO WITH IN...
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| 01:21:47 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
BEEN DONNER IT SHOWS A DOUBLE STRAND BREAKS IN DNA AFTER EXPOS ARE TO CELLPHONE RADIATION IS VERY STRONG EVIDENCE EXPERIMENTALLY. IF WE TIE THAT WITH
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| 01:21:58 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
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| 01:21:59 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
HUMAN STUDIES THAT HAVE LOOKED AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE TENURES EXPOSURE OR MORE WE PUT THEM TOGETHER AND HAVE
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| 01:22:08 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
STRONG EVIDENCE. >> WELL, THE DOCTOR TESTIFIED THAT YOU SEE SOMETHING AFTER TEN YEARS BUT SAYS THAT THERE ARE SO FEW INVOLVED SHE CAN'T DRAW A SCIENTIFIC...
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| 01:22:35 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
CANNOT BE SURE BASED ON THE CURRENT EPIDEMIOLOGICAL DATA. BUT WHAT WORRIED ME WAS THAT IN MY STUDY I SAW CONSISTENT POSITIVE RESULTS AND THEY ALWAYS...
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| 01:22:49 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
THEY DO NOT APPEAR IN THIS GROUP OR THAT. THE APPEARED IN MORE THAN TEN YEARS AND ON THE SAME SITE WHERE THE PHONE WAS HELD AND THEY APPEARED FOR THE...
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| 01:23:55 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
PHONES AND CANCER. NOW IT IS
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| 01:24:00 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
MUCH HARDER BUT WHAT WOULD YOU ANSWER AS THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CELLPHONE
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| 01:24:10 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
AND CANCER? >> THAT IS A VERY IMPORTANT OBSERVATION >> I'VE MADE AN OBSERVATION. I'VE ASKED A QUESTION. I AM NOT HAVING MUCH LUCK WITH ANSWERS. >> I THINK...
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| 01:24:35 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
REPLICATED, WHETHER WE HAVE LOOKED
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| 01:24:37 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
AT CONSISTENCY ACROSS STUDIES AND WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 40 ANIMAL STUDIES THAT USE
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| 01:24:43 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
DIFFERENT MEASURES TO ASSESS THE LONG-TERM RISK. EVIDENCE DOESN'T COME FROM ANY SINGLE STUDY TO THE EVIDENCE COMES FROM CAREFUL REVIEW LOOKING AT THE...
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| 01:25:38 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
INTERACTS, THEY'RE HAS BEEN RESEARCH GOING ON OVER 50
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| 01:25:42 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
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| 01:25:43 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
YEARS ALTHOUGH THE RESEARCH THE LAST 20 YEARS
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| 01:25:47 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
IS OF COURSE USED TO IMPROVE. >> I HAD A HEARING THAT HAD SIMILAR QUESTION. THE QUESTION WAS IS THERE EVIDENCE THERE WAS NO CONSPIRACY ON THE ASSASSINATION...
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| 01:26:16 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
OF A POSITIVE. AND WHEN YOU BALILES IT ALL DOWN, WHAT I HEAR IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DISAGREEMENT ON THIS PANEL. YOU, DR. ERDREICH, SAY THAT THERE IS...
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| 01:27:35 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
OF YOUR TESTIMONY THAT THERE
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| 01:27:38 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
IS -- THE EVIDENCE DOES
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| 01:27:40 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
NOT DEMONSTRATE
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| 01:27:43 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
THE ABSENCE OF CONNECTION BETWEEN EXPOSURE AND
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| 01:27:48 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
CANCER? >> THE EVIDENCE
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| 01:27:52 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
DOES NOT -- EXCUSE ME, HAVE TO TAKE THE LIBERTY OF REPHRASING. >> THE EVIDENCE DOES NOT DEMONSTRATE THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE USE OF A CELL...
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| 01:28:12 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
CANCER? >> HE SAID THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T DEMONSTRATE THERE'S NO CONNECTION. IS THAT WHAT HE MEANT TO
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| 01:28:22 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
SAY? I'M SORRY. >> A FAIR STATEMENT THAT YOUR TESTIMONY IS THE EVIDENCE DOESN'T DEMONSTRATE THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE USE OF A CELL PHONES
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| 01:28:38 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
AND CANCER. >> THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE COULD NEVER DEMONSTRATED A TOTAL NO CONNECTION. >> THAT I TAKE YOUR ANSWER TO BE
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| 01:28:50 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
CORRECT. LET ME TELL YOU WHERE I COME
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| 01:29:00 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
OUT WHAT COMES THROUGH TO ME IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
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| 01:29:09 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
ANSWER IS. DR. SADETZKI RAISES A LOT OF RED FLAGS THAT SAYS IT ISN'T BUTTERWEED TO SELL PHONES BUT HOW WE USE THEM. SHE ISN'T ADVOCATING SELF LOANS....
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| 01:31:42 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
THAT WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION
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| 01:31:50 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
OVER THE FDA OR
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| 01:31:54 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
THE FCC. >> WHEN
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| 01:31:57 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
HAS THAT STOP YOU -- [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER] >>
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| 01:32:00 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
WELL, YOU DIDN'T HEAR MY FOLLOW-UP BECAUSE MY CHAIRMANSHIP ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE I DO HAVE JURISDICTION [APPLAUSE]
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| 01:32:17 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
WHAT I WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH IS A QUESTION I WILL PURSUE BEYOND THE PANEL WITH MY FRIENDS
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| 01:32:28 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
AT NIH AND THAT IS DR. ERDREICH STATED AND I MAKE A NOTE OF THIS BECAUSE I'VE WONDERED THIS A LONG TIME, THE ART OF ENERGY IS SENT RADIATION THE SAME...
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| 01:33:57 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
ABOUT THAT HAVE REVIEWED HAVE CONCERNED ALL THE STUDIES ON THIS QUESTION AND THE HAVE
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| 01:34:01 |
Erdreich, Linda - Senior Scientist
NOT CONCLUDED THAT IT'S BEEN PROVEN TO AFFECT THE DNA OF CELLS, AND THE SECOND PART IS THE STRONGER EVIDENCE -- THE STRONGEST EVIDENCE YOU CAN GET IS...
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| 01:35:01 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
BY THE INTERNATIONAL
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| 01:35:03 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
ASSOCIATION FOR CANCER RESEARCH COULD HAVE BEEN 2006. >> WHAT -- >> I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. IT IS SOME OF THE BODY OF THE WHO WHICH CLASSIFIES CARCINOGENS...
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| 01:35:28 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
BUY
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| 01:35:30 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
NOT A COUGHING SUITED TO THIS LOW FREQUENCY WHICH IS OFTEN THE SPECTRUM OF LOW ENERGY, WAS DETERMINED BY THIS ORGANIZATION IN JUNE, 2006 IT IS POSSIBLE....
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| 01:36:04 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
OBSERVE DNA. THE LAWYER OF THE ISSUE
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| 01:36:08 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
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| 01:36:09 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
ITSELF COULD
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| 01:36:13 |
Leszczynski, Dariusz - Research Professor
INTERFERE WITH PROCESS OF DNA ITSELF. NORMALLY ALL THE TIME DAMAGE OCCURS SPONTANEOUSLY, AND THIS COULD EITHER INTERVIEW WITH PROCESS OF REPAIR AND...
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| 01:38:36 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
ALL OF THESE, AND YOU RECOMMENDED HOLDING THE PHONE AWAY FROM THE BODY. WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER THE EAR PIECE THAT. DR. SADETZKI, YOU SAID THE SAME...
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| 01:38:54 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
FROM THE BODY. DR. DAVIS, YOU SAID A CELL PHONE SHOULD NOT BE KEPT ANY CLOSER THAN AN INCH TO YOUR BODY, IS THAT WE USE IT? WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?...
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| 01:39:27 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
WAS PRIVILEGED TO WORK WITH RONALD HERBERT HOOVER MEN AS CANCER INSTITUTE, HE LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE ON THIS ISSUE AS ONE OF THE WORLD'S MOST DISTINGUISHED...
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| 01:40:14 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
INCH IS -- YOU GET SOME DISTANCE. THAT'S WHY THEY RECOMMEND YOU USE THEIR HOLSTERS. BUT THE REALITY IS WE DON'T KNOW, AND AS SCIENTISTS IT SHOULDN'T...
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| 01:40:29 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
HOLSTER. [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW, THEY RECOMMEND THEIR HOLSTER. THIS IS A QUESTION I GUESS WE ALL TO ASK THE APPROPRIATE AGENCIES TO GET INVOLVED. DR....
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| 01:40:47 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
TELECOM INDUSTRY BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING IN THE TELECOM INDUSTRY IN FRANCE AT LEAST TO MAKE THE KIND OF CHANGES THEY THINK ARE APPROPRIATE, AND I WOULD...
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| 01:41:25 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THIS, WITH WHAT I DO WITH THIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE EMITS MORE THAN WHAT MY OLD SELF AND USE TO WHICH I JUST TALKED TO PEOPLE ON. IS THAT TRUE? >> I...
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| 01:41:59 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
FOR SIX MINUTES TO AVOID HEAT. THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO MY THREE YEAR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER WHO LOVES TO PLAY WITH A CELL PHONE AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE...
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| 01:42:51 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
STUDIES, GOVERNMENT ADVISERS, AND THAT IS AN HOUR CELLPHONE REPORT. WE HAVE ALSO COMPILED INFORMATION ON OVER 1200 PHONES. THEY
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| 01:43:02 |
Naidenko, Olga - Senior Scientist
DID NOT TEST THE PHONES. THEY LOOKED FOR THAT INFORMATION IN ALL PUBLICLY OPEN SOURCES. WE DID SUCCEED. AS FOR SOME WE DID NOT AND THEY DECIDED THIS...
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| 01:43:48 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
MODELS WOULD BE IDENTIFIED BY ASSISTED USAID. BUT WITH REGARD TO LOCATION AND FORMATION IS CELLPHONE USERS PASS TO KNOW THEIR SOCIAL IDEAS OF THE STEPS...
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| 01:44:05 |
Naidenko, Olga - Senior Scientist
THE POINT OF SALE OR THE READILY AVAILABLE OF APPLICATION. SPRICK I WANT TO SEE EYE FOR LIST. SOMEBODY OUGHT TO AT LEAST KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE...
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| 01:44:46 |
Davis, Devra L. - Director
QUARTER OF A MILLION PHONES WERE RECALLED BECAUSE THEY ARE FOUND TO HAVE HIGHER EMISSION RATES SO EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IN THE...
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| 01:45:30 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
PHONES BEACH FURTHER FROM THE BODY AND YOU ASK HOW IT WILL BE DONE AND THIS IS A VERY LEGITIMATE QUESTION. I THINK
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| 01:45:39 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
THAT IF THE COMPANIES NEED TO DO IT,
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| 01:45:41 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THEY HAVE SUCH
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| 01:45:44 |
Sadetzki, Siegal - Director
CLEAR ENGINEERS. IT'S A DIFFICULT PROBLEM I SEE IT AS A MINOR PROBLEM. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE VERY EASILY WITH FEW ENGINEERS SITTING TOGETHER IN THE...
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| 01:46:19 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALL OF YOU. I FOUND THIS REALLY
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| 01:46:24 |
Specter, Arlen - U.S. Senator, [D] Pennsylvania
VERY INTERESTING AND VERY CHALLENGING AND ON A ENSURE YOU WERE THERE ALSO IF YOU WANT TO THANK US OFF. THE SUBCOMMITTEE STAND ADJOURNED. [CHEERS AND
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| 01:46:38 |
Harkin, Thomas "Tom" - U.S. Senator, [D] Iowa
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