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FROM THE SENATE THAT WE SEE TODAY ON C SPAN? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, EVERY SENATOR WAS KNOWN. I GO OVER THERE NOW AT THE GALLERY AND LOOK OVER THE EDGE,...
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I DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THE NAMES. SO I THINK THAT INDIVIDUAL SENATORS HAD A MORE PROMINENT PLACE IN THE LIFE OF THE SENATE THAN THEY DO TODAY. I ALSO...
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CAME TO
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THE SENATE,
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THERE WAS A SENSE OF PARTY DISCIPLINE THAT I
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| 00:02:40 |
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THINK WAS STRONGER THAN IT IS TODAY. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I ALSO THINK THE COLLEGIALITY OF THE SENATE HAS DIMINISHED IN THE YEARS SINCE BOB DOLE AND...
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| 00:04:03 |
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UNTO HIMSELF. HE WAS A VERY DETERMINED MAN. HE WAS SKILLFUL IN KNOWING WHAT THE INTERESTS AND THE WISHES OF SENATORS WERE, AND HE COULD BE TALKING TO...
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| 00:04:22 |
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YOUR STATE THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN AND SLIDE FROM THAT INTO THE VOTE THAT WAS COMING UP. HE SAYS, I SURE HOPE YOU'RE GOING TO BE WITH ME ON THIS...
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| 00:05:35 |
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WAS PRESIDENT DURING THOSE
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| 00:05:37 |
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FIRST EIGHT YEARS THAT I SERVED IN THE SENATE, AND THEY REALLY RAN THE DOMESTIC SIDE OF AMERICAN POLICY DURING THE EISENHOWER YEARS. I DON'T KNOW THAT...
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| 00:07:05 |
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WAR. >> UH-HUH. >> DID THAT
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MAKE IT
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EASIER TO ESTABLISH A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH DOLE? AND HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE? I MEAN, TO
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WHAT EXTENT DID HIS
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| 00:07:17 |
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REPUTATION EARLY ON IN THE SENATE AS A GUNSLINGER, YOU KNOW, THE SHERIFF OF THE SENATE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAD TO GET OVER? >> HE CAME TO THE...
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| 00:07:26 |
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SOME YEARS
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| 00:07:29 |
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AFTER I WAS THERE, AND AT THAT TIME, BOB, BLESS HIS HEART, WAS A PRETTY PARTISAN TOUGH GUY ON THE RHETORIC. AND HE WAS
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| 00:07:46 |
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PRETTY PARTISAN. IT'S INTERESTING THAT HE CAME FROM A DEMOCRATIC FAMILY. HIS MOTHER AND FATHER WERE DEMOCRATS, MY MOTHER AND FATHER WERE REPUBLICANS,...
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| 00:09:58 |
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WORLD. THERE ARE NO HUNGRY PEOPLE IN AMERICA. I HAD RUN THE FOOD
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| 00:10:02 |
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FOR PEACE PROGRAM FOR PRESIDENT KENNEDY, SO I KNEW ABOUT HUNGER IN THE WORLD. AFRICA, ASIA, LATIN AMERICA, PARTS OF THE MIDDLE EAST. I KNEW ABOUT...
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| 00:13:38 |
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A BUDGET-BALANCING TRADITIONALIST, HOW DID HE RECONCILE THOSE TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT? >> WELL, BOB DOLE IS A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT MAN AND A MAN OF GREAT...
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| 00:14:11 |
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GAINED IF YOU COULD PRODUCE HEALTHY KIDS THAT GO OUT INTO LIFE BETTER EDUCATED, MORE VIGOROUS, BETTER ABLE TO EARN MORE MONEY AND THEREFORE PAY MORE...
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| 00:16:25 |
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AND THEY
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| 00:16:27 |
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TAKE US INTO A MIGRANT LABOR CAMP, PEOPLE ARE OUT PICKING BERRIES AND DOING OTHER THINGS IN THE FIELDS, THOUSANDS OF THEM. AND THEN THEY GO BACK TO...
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| 00:18:07 |
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ME AFTER WE LEFT THIS
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| 00:18:11 |
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GARAGE. I SAID, GOSH, ALAN, ISN'T IT TERRIBLE THAT POOR WOMAN LIVING THERE WITH TEN LITTLE KIDS? AND HE SAID, WELL, I NOTICED SHE'S GOT A TELEVISION IN...
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| 00:19:31 |
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CORPORATIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
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| 00:19:36 |
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WHAT YOU HAVE ARE LITTLE INDEPENDENT MERCHANTS UP AND DOWN MAIN STREET, FARMERS TOILING OUT IN THE FIELDS AND SO ON, SO THERE IS ALWAYS A CERTAIN AMOUNT...
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| 00:20:33 |
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HE SHOULDN'T BE ALIVE TODAY. THEY LEFT HIM ON
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| 00:20:37 |
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THE BATTLEFIELD FOR A WHILE THINKING IT WAS NOT WORTH BRINGING HIM BACK. SO THE REST OF US CAME BACK FROM THE WAR, ENROLLED IN COLLEGES AND SO ON. BOB...
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| 00:22:28 |
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HUBERT WAS BORN IN SOUTH DAKOTA, GREW UP FIRST IN DOVER, SOUTH
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| 00:22:39 |
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DAKOTA, AND HE STILL HAD THE HUMPHREY DRUG IN HURON, SOUTH DAKOTA. HE LEFT WHEN HIS FATHER CONVINCED HIM THAT A DEMOCRAT COULDN'T BE ELECTED TO ANYTHING...
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| 00:23:36 |
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HUBERT IF HE WERE GOING TO RUN AGAIN IN' '72, AND HE SAID, NO WAY. I'VE BEEN OVER THAT TRAIL
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| 00:23:41 |
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ONE TOO MANY TIMES. MUSKIE TAUKDS TO HIM ANDLKED TO HIM AND GOT THE SAME ANSWER. BUT ONCE HE HEARD THE FIREBELLS AND GOT IT GOING AGAIN, HE WAS RIGHT...
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| 00:24:40 |
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THEY CAST HIM ASIDE BEFORE WATERGREAT BROKEWATER WATERGATE BROKE. >> THEY DID. AND YET DON'T THEY SEEM TO HAVE THIS KIND OF REVERENTIAL RELATIONSHIP
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| 00:24:59 |
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RIGHT TO THE END OF HIS LIFE. >> I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT. I THOUGHT THEY WERE SO DIFFERENT, REALLY. >> HOW SO? >> IT ALWAYS
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| 00:25:08 |
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SEEMED TO ME THAT BOB DOLE WAS A STRAIGHT SHOOTER THAT YOU COULD TRUST HIS
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| 00:25:20 |
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WORD. NIXON WAS MORE OF A DEVIOUS
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| 00:25:26 |
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PERSON. ALSO, I THINK THAT NIXON HAD
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| 00:25:29 |
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A PARANOID STREAK THAT IS ABSENT IN BOB, BUT I WAS PUZZLED THAT THAT ADMIRATION AND AFFECTION FOR NIXON SEEMED TO CONTINUE TO THE END. I WENT TO NIXON'S...
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| 00:26:16 |
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SAID YOU WOULD KEEP PAINTING FOREVER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. I WENT TO PAT NIXON'S FUNERAL, AND HE MADE A BIG THING OF THAT IN A PLEASANT SORT OF WAY. WERE...
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| 00:26:40 |
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I THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE -- >> WHY WAS IT, SENATOR,
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| 00:26:49 |
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I THOUGHT WHEN PRESIDENT FORD
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| 00:26:51 |
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DIED, AND WE SEE IT NOT ONLY WHEN ELDER STATESMEN PASS AWAY, BUT WHEN THEY BECOME ELDER STATESMEN, WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS SYSTEM WHERE ONLY WHEN YOU'RE...
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| 00:27:09 |
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BIG AS YOU CAN BE AND THE PUBLIC RESPONDS? ISN'T THAT FRUSTRATING IN SOME WAYS? WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF YOU COULD DO IT WHILE YOU'RE IN OFFICE? >> I...
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| 00:27:41 |
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HAD VOTED FOR PRESIDENT FORD IN 1976. MAYBE EVERYBODY WAS SHOCKED, I DON'T KNOW. >> I WASN'T. THE FAMILY, BY THE WAY, WERE TOUCHED. >> WERE THEY?...
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| 00:28:09 |
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PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE. >> YOU WERE INVITED VERY EARLY IN THE
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| 00:28:13 |
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FORD PRESIDENCY TO, I THINK, A STAG DINNER IN THE WHITE HOUSE. >>
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| 00:28:17 |
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I WAS. >> AND AS THE STORY HAS BEEN TOLD TO ME, YOU EXPRESSED SOME SURPRISE THAT YOU HAD NOT
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| 00:28:24 |
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BEEN INVITED DURING THE JOHNSON OR NIXON PRESIDENCIES, AND PRESIDENT FORD SAID, I KNOW, GEORGE, THAT'S
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| 00:28:32 |
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WHY I INVITED YOU. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. HE SEATED ME NEXT TO HIM. HE HAD THE KING ON ONE SIDE AND
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| 00:28:37 |
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I
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| 00:28:38 |
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WAS ON THE OTHER. FULLBRIGHT WAS THERE. AND IN THE DINNER, I SAID, MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU KNOW THIS, BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN INVITED TO...
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| 00:28:54 |
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IN VIETNAM. HE SAYS, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS NICE. >> TELL ME ABOUT THE WICK PROGRAM. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST PROGRAMS THE FEDERAL...
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| 00:29:22 |
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OF FIVE YEARS. YOU CAN'T TALK TO A
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| 00:29:25 |
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PERSON WHO HAS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT PROGRAM WHO DOESN'T TELL YOU THIS THING IS JUST WONDERFUL, WHAT IT'S DOING TO TRANSFORM LIVES AND TO BRING...
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| 00:31:03 |
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ALL THE TIME. YEAH, I THINK IT COULD HAPPEN. I'M
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| 00:31:07 |
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JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE. IT PROBABLY COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. >> IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT THE BULK OF THE SENATE'S WORK HAPPENS OFF THE FLOOR?...
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| 00:31:34 |
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SIGNIFICANT THAN IT IS TODAY? >> I THOUGHT SO. ALTHOUGH I'VE SEEN THAT FLOOR EMPTY A LOT OF
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| 00:31:43 |
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TIMES WITH A SINGLE SENATOR RAVING AWAY. >> WITHOUT NAMING NAMES, ARE THERE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE
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| 00:31:52 |
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CAPABLE OF UPSETTING THE SENATE? >> YES, THERE WERE. BUT THERE WERE ALSO SOME WHO WERE SO
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| 00:31:58 |
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ELOQUENT, YOU WONDERED WHY THERE WEREN'T MORE PEOPLE LISTENING. LIKE WAYNE MORRIS. WAYNE MORRIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST ARTICULATE,
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| 00:32:08 |
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| 00:32:16 |
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POWERFUL, EX TEMP EXTEMPORANEOUS SPEAKERS EVER. AND I'M TOLD BY STAFF THAT HAVE THE DUPLICATIONS AND THE DANGLING PARTICIPLES, THEY COULDN'T FIND...
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| 00:34:49 |
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SYSTEM, THE SENATE SEEMS TO BE A MUCH MORE HEIRARCHICAL PLACE THAN
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| 00:34:58 |
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IT IS TODAY. WHAT WERE THE PROS AND
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| 00:35:01 |
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CONS OF THAT? >> I SUPPOSE THE PROS IS THAT YOU HAD A PRETTY CLEAR MAP
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| 00:35:09 |
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OF WHO YOU HAD TO SEE TO GET SOMETHING DONE. MAYBE THE LINES OF AUTHORITY WERE A LITTLE CLEARER THAN THEY ARE NOW. THE MINUSES
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| 00:35:26 |
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OF THAT ARE THAT YOU COULDN'T GET AROUND THOSE PEOPLE IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE A BILL MOVE TO THE FLOOR. THEY HAD WAYS OF TRAPPING THAT MEASURE SO...
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| 00:36:39 |
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THEY SEE THE SENATE
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| 00:36:40 |
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ON CSPAN, AND THEY'RE PERPLEXED, IF NOT INFURIATED BY WHAT SEEMS TO BE MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. I MEAN, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE WAY THE SENATE OPERATES?...
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| 00:36:58 |
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DONE IN COMMITTEES, THAT YOU CAN'T WRITE A BILL ON THE SENATE FLOOR, YOU CAN'T CONDUCT A HEARING ON THE SENATE FLOOR, SO THAT BILLS ARE LARGELY SHAPED...
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| 00:37:15 |
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SHOULDN'T EXPECT TO SEE A LOT OF PRODUCTIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE EFFORT MOVING FORWARD ON THE FLOOR OF EITHER THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE. AND THAT THE FACT...
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| 00:38:19 |
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DIFFICULT, I THINK. AND SO YOU NEED BIGGER
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| 00:38:26 |
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STAFFS AND WELL-TRAINED STAFF. I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN UNFAVORABLE DEVELOPMENT. >> HOW ABOUT FUNDRAISING? THAT CLEARLY IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- >>...
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| 00:38:55 |
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CAMPAIGN AND THAT THEY GIVE AN AVERAGE OF
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| 00:39:00 |
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TWO OUT OF EVERY SEVEN DAYS TO RAISING FUNDS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN EXAGGERATION. AND SENATORS WHO DISLIKED THAT AS MUCH AS I DID REALLY ARE FRUSTRATED...
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| 00:42:03 |
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MONEY FOR THIS BRIDGE, OR I WANT MY KID IN WEST POINT. I NEVER HAD THAT HAPPEN. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT VIETNAM AND IN
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| 00:42:14 |
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THOSE YEARS WHEN DOLE WAS JUST NEWLY ARRIVED IN THE SENATE AND YOU WERE AN EQUIVALENT NATIONAL FIGURE EVEN BEFORE THE '72 CAMPAIGN, AND THERE WERE ...
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| 00:42:33 |
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FROM -- GOD, AMENDMENTS FROM THE WAR, DOLE WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE. DID YOU EVER DISCUSS THOSE? WAS YOUR RELATIONSHIP SUCH THAT YOU COULD TALK ABOUT THOSE...
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| 00:43:06 |
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THERE WERE ELOQUENT ARGUMENTS MADE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, BUT TO THE BEST OF MY MEMORY AND KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK BOB AND I EVER TALKED ABOUT...
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| 00:43:48 |
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AND IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOUR LIFE IT'S EASIER TO BE IMAGINE NAMOUS IN OTHER THINGS. I THINK SHE ADDED TO HIS HAPPINESS. I
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| 00:44:07 |
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DIDN'T KNOW HIS FIRST WIFE BUT I KNOW ELIZABETH AND SHE'S A REMARKABLE PERSON. >> THE DICHOTOMY BETWEEN PARTICULARLY MID-'70 DOES AND THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL...
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| 00:44:40 |
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THAT IMAGE WASN'T THE SAME, THAT IT TOOK A WHILE FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF DOLE. BUT I TAKE IT AMONG HIS COLLEAGUES, YOU ALWAYS HAD SEEN...
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| 00:45:17 |
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A HUMORIST AND BE ENTIRELY MEAN. >> YEAH. HE LIKES TO PARTICULARLY POKE FUN AT POM POSTY. >> YES, HE DID. >> THAT'S A POPULIST -- >> YES, HE DOES....
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| 00:45:41 |
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CAMPAIGN WHEN HE WAS
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| 00:45:46 |
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TAKING
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| 00:45:47 |
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SOME HEAT, HUB ERT HUMPHREY WENT TO
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| 00:45:51 |
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HIM, IT WAS THAT WEEK
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| 00:45:52 |
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AND SAID, BOB, I KNOW WHERE YOU
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| 00:45:54 |
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ARE, I'VE BEEN THERE. DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THEM. FORGET
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| 00:45:59 |
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THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SCAPEGOATING. YOU DID WHAT THEY WANTED YOU TO DO. IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARILY GENERAL GENEROUS KIND OF THING. >> HUMPHREY LIKED TO...
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| 00:46:34 |
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WON A LANDSLIDE VICTORY HE WOULD BE JUBILANT. BUT THE TAPES THAT CAME OUT, SHOCKED ME. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I KIND
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| 00:46:43 |
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OF LAUGHED AT THEM. IN ONE PARAGRAPH HE CALLED ME A CLOWN, A SON OF A
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| 00:46:52 |
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PITCH TALKING TO KISSINGER AND ROCKEFELLER. THIS IS ON ELECTION NIGHT. AND HE SAYS, AND THAT CONCESSION SPEECH, DIDN'T YOU THINK THAT WAS AWFUL? WELL,...
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| 00:48:23 |
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ON, HE NEVER WROTE A BOOK OR AN ARTICLE OR ANYTHING WITHOUT SENDING IT TO ME
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| 00:48:29 |
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AND SENDING A LETTER TO ME. HE HAD A STRANGE WAY OF WRITING LONGHAND LETTERS. HE WOULD START UP HERE LIKE THIS. AND THEY JUST KEPT GETTING SHORTER....
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| 00:49:14 |
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BECAME A MORE ADMIRABLE HUMAN BEING. I ALWAYS THOUGHT BOB WAS A PERSON OF
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| 00:49:22 |
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HIGH INTEGRITY. AND A KEEN INTELLECT. WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE MORE RECENT YEARS AND THIS IS OVER A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME, IS THAT A PROCESS THAT...
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| 00:50:04 |
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PHYSICALLY. AND BUT I THINK JUST HIS EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER HUMAN
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| 00:50:10 |
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BEINGS, HIS DISCOVERY, THAT PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM ON POLITICS DON'T NECESSARILY PRESENT A THREAT OR A REASON FOR ANIMOSITY, THAT INSTEAD IT'S...
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| 00:50:54 |
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SO. CANDIDATE AND NOMINEE IN FACT FOR THE PRESIDENCY. HE WAS THE MAJORITY
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| 00:51:00 |
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LEADER OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE. AND IN ALL OF THOSE ROLES, HE MANIFESTED THE QUALITIES OF A STRONG AND EFFECTIVE LEADER. I THINK THAT'S THE WAY...
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| 00:51:37 |
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GOLDWATER. WHAT CAN YOU TELL A JUNIOR SENATOR FROM SOUTH DAKOTA RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT? HE SAYS, DON'T GET FATIGUED. FATIGUE IS THE BIG ENEMY IN A ...
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| 00:51:55 |
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SAID THAT'S WHY I WENT IN TO FLORIDA SHORTLY BEFORE THE ELECTION AND CAME OUT AGAINST SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT'S SMART, ESPECIALLY IN FLORIDA WHERE...
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| 00:53:27 |
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TURN THIS DOWN, BUT HE WAS OPPOSED BY SOME OF THE POLITICAL -- >> DIDN'T HE OPPOSE HIM? >> HOW MUCH -- HE
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| 00:53:38 |
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WAS A WONDERFUL GUY. >> I WISH WE WOULD
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| 00:53:41 |
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HAVE PICKED HIM. >> LISTEN, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. IT'S SO GOOD OF YOU TO DO THIS. >> NICE TO SEE YOU. >> NO, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU. >> 220 YEARS...
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| 00:53:57 |
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PHILADELPHIA. COMING UP ON AMERICAN HISTORY
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| 00:54:01 |
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TELEVISION, IN DEPTH LOOK AT THE LIFE OF BEN
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FRANKLIN. FIRST GORDON WOOD ON HIS BOOK
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THE AMERICANIZATION OF BENJAMIN
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