|00:00:00||TO GIVE A COPY TO THE SENATOR.|
|00:00:02||BUT THESE ARE FROM THE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR HEALTH STATISTICS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF H.|
|00:00:10||THAT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND WELFARE AT THE TIME.|
|00:00:13||THESE WERE THE OFFICIAL STATISTICS OF THE UNITED STATES.|
|00:00:17||AGAIN, I AM NOT CHALLENGING THE REMARKS OF THE SENATOR THAT EVERY LIFE IS IMPORTANT.|
|00:00:21||BUT I THINK -- I THINK PRENGT ACCURATE EVIDENCE IS ALSO IMPORTANT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE CASE WAS.|
|00:00:28||AND LET'S LOOK AT THE CASE OF ABORTION-RELATED DEATHS.|
|00:00:31||FROM 19 -- IN 1942 THERE WERE 1,231.|
|00:00:36||IN TOTAL MATERNAL DEATHS WAS 7,267.|
|00:00:40||EVERY SINGLE YEAR, WITHOUT FAIL, EVERY SINGLE YEAR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MATERNAL DEATHS WENT DOWN EVERY YEAR BECAUSE MEDICINE IMPROVED.|
|00:00:48||THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ABORTION-RELATED DEATHS WENT DOWN.|
|00:00:52||WHY? EVERY YEAR.|
|00:00:53||I BELIEVE WITHOUT FAIL -- WELL, THERE'S ONE OR TWO YEARS WHERE IT POPPED BACK UP AND DROPPED BACK DOWN.|
|00:00:58||BUT IT WENT DOWN ALMOST IN A DIRECT LINE.|
|00:01:01||IT WAS CONTINUING TO GO DOWN.|
|00:01:04||SO THE IDEA THAT ROE V.|
|00:01:06||WADE IS SAVING EVEN, YOU KNOW, IN 1973 THERE WERE 36 -- I MEAN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT VERY, VERY FEW, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF PREGNANCIES THAT WERE -- THAT WERE OCCURRING IN THOSE YEARS -- VERY, VERY FEW WOMEN DIED AS A RESULT OF "BOTCHED ABORTIONS" AND THE IDEA THAT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS WERE -- WELL, I'LL QUOTE FOR YOU BERNARD NATHAN NATHANSEN WHO WAS AN ABORTION DOCTOR AT THAT TIME.|
|00:01:38||AND HE SAYS, "HOW MANY DEATHS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHEN ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL?|
|00:01:42||IN NARAL --" -- THAT'S THE NATIONAL ABORTION RIGHTS ACTION LEAGUE -- "WE GENERALLY EMPHASIZE THE DRAMA OF THE INDIVIDUAL KAIFMTS YOU HEARD THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA COME BACK, WHEN THE STATISTICS ARE WRONG, WE TALK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL CASE.|
|00:01:57||"BUT WHEN WE SPOKE OF THE LATTER, IT WAS ALWAYS 5,000 TO 10,000 DEATHS A YEAR.|
|00:02:02||I CONFESSED THAT I KNEW THESE FIGURES WERE TOTALLY FALSE.|
|00:02:05||I SUPPOSE THE OTHERS DID TOO, IF THEY STOPPED TO THINK ABOUT IT.|
|00:02:09||BUT IN THE MORALITY OF OUR REVOLUTION IT WAS A USEFUL FIGURE, WIDELY ACCEPTED.|
|00:02:13||SO WHY GO OUT OF OUR WAY TO CORRECT IT WITH HONEST STATISTICS?|
|00:02:16||" THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE ARE MAKING POLICY DECISIONS BASED ON HOPEFULLY FACTUAL EVIDENCE.|
|00:02:24||AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.|
|00:02:27||A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA SAID AND LAST NIGHT THE SENATOR FROM IOWA SAID, AND THAT IS THAT A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS SUPPORT ROE V.|
|00:02:40||WELL, MAYBE IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION, "DO YOU SUPPORT ROE V.|
|00:02:43||WADE," MAYBE A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WOULD SAY, WELL, YEAH, IT IS THE LAW OF THE LAND TO.|
|00:02:48||MOST PEOPLE, IF IT IS THE LAW, GENERALLY COMPLY WITH THE LAW.|
|00:02:51||SO MOST PEOPLE SAY IT'S PROBABLY FINE.|
|00:02:54||ALTHOUGH IF YOU ASK THEM WHAT THE LAW -- IF YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE LAW IS WITHOUT SAIGST EA RO V.|
|00:03:01||WADE AND ASK-- --IF YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THE LAW IS WITHOUT SAYING IT'S ROE V.|
|00:03:09||WADE, AND ASK THEM, THEY DON'T AGREE WITH IT.|
|00:03:13||THERE WAS A CENTER DONE BY THE ADVANCEMENT FOR WOMEN, FAY, FORMERLY AFFILIATED WITH PLANNED PARENTHOOD, THEY INSTITUTE ADD STUDY JUST THIS SUMMER.|
|00:03:26||AND THEY ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT ABORTION TO WOMEN, NOT TO MEN BUT TO WOMEN.|
|00:03:34||AND THEY FOUND THAT 17% OF WOMEN IN AMERICA -- AND THIS IS A PRO-CHOICE GROUP -- 17% OF AMERICA SAID ABORTION SHOULD BE BANNED, PERIOD.|
|00:03:48||34% SAID IT SHOULD BE AGAINST THE LAW EXCEPT IN THE CASE OF RAPE, INCEST, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:03:56||NOW, IF YOU ADD 17% AND 34% -- WE CAN DO SOME QUICK MATH HERE -- GET ONE OF THE PAGES TO ADD THAT UP FOR ME SINCE THEY'RE ON SCHOOL AND THEY'RE REAL SHARP ON THOSE THINGS NOW -- 51%.|
|00:04:09||51% OF AMERICAN WOMEN ARE EITHER -- ARE AGAINST ABORTION ABORTION, PERIOD, OR ONLY IN THE CASE OF RAPE, INCEST AND THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:04:22||WHICH IF YOU ASK PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBER IF YOU'RE AGAINST ABORTION EXCEPT RAPE, INSERXFT LIFE OF THE MORX YOU'RE CONSIDERED PRO-LIFE.|
|00:04:31||MOST PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBER WHO ARE PRO-LIFE ARE FOR THE EXCEPTION OF RAPE, INCEST, AND LIFE OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:04:39||SO A MAJORITY OF AMERICAN WOMEN, DORGAN ABORTION RIGHTS GROUP,-- --ACCORDING TO AN ABORTION RIGHTS GROUP, WHO BY THE WAY DESCRIBE THE RESULTS OF THIS AS DISAPPOINTING -- DON'T AGREE WITH ROE V.|
|00:04:55||A MAJORITY OF AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T AGREE.|
|00:04:57||LET ME ASK -- BROAD THAN EVEN FURTHER.|
|00:05:00||THEY ASKED THIS QUESTION: THEY ASKED AS AN OPTION, "IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE BUT UNDER STRICTER LIMITS THAN NOW?|
|00:05:08||" IN OTHER WORDS, IT SHOULD BE LESS AVAILABLE THAN ROE V.|
|00:05:15||ADD ANOTHER 17 FOR THAT.|
|00:05:19||NOW WE'RE UP TO 68% OF WOMEN IN THIS COUNTRY WHO BELIEVE THAT ROE V.|
|00:05:28||WADE IS WRONG. 68% OF WOMEN DISAGREE WITH ROE V.|
|00:05:35||WADE. NOW, THE THIRD CATEGORY -- THE FOURTH CATEGORY WAS, IT SHOULD BE GENERALLY AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO WANT IT.|
|00:05:41||NOW, THIS IS A VERY TRICKY THING.|
|00:05:44||IT SHOULD BE GENERALLY AVAILABLE.|
|00:05:48||IT DIDN'T SAY WHAT ROE V.|
|00:05:52||WADE IS, THE LAW, BIT WAY.|
|00:05:55||IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY REASON AT AT ANY TIME.|
|00:05:58||THAT'S WHAT ROE V. WADE S THIS IDEA THAT THIS IS A MODERATE, REASONABLE PROVISION, ROE V.|
|00:06:06||WADE, IS NONSENSE.|
|00:06:13||WADE AND ITS SUBSEQUENT DECISION HAVE ESTABLISHED AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO ABORTION AT ANY POINT AT ANY TIME.|
|00:06:21||THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA SAYS THE STATE CAN PROHIBIT LATE-TERM ABORTIONS.|
|00:06:24||I ASKED THE SENATOR -- I'VE ASK HER MORE THAN ONCE IN MANY OF THESE DEBATES AND TODAY SHE HAS NOT PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE -- I'VE ASKED HER TO GIVE ONE EXAMPLE WHERE ABORTION WAS STOPPED IN THIS COUNTRY UNDER ROE V.|
|00:06:36||GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE WHERE SOMEONE WANTED AN ABORTION AND BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT DECISIONS, WAS BARRED.|
|00:06:47||THE SENATOR SAYS, WELL, THERE'S IN HEALTH EXCEPTION THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, AND THERE ALWAYS HAS TO BE A HEALTH EXCEPTION.|
|00:06:55||WELL, LOOK AT THE SUPREME COURT CASES THAT DEFINE WHAT A HEALTH EXCEPTION IS.|
|00:07:00||ACCORDING TO D.|
|00:07:03||O.E. V. BALANCETON, WHICH WAS THE COMPANION CASE TO ROE V.|
|00:07:06||WADE, HEALTH MEANS ANY HEALTH, MENTAL HEALTH, PHYSICAL HEALTH, ECONOMIC HEALTH, STRESS, DISTRESS, ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY AFFECT MENTAL OR PHYSICAL HEALTH IS A HEALTH EXCEPTION.|
|00:07:20||WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?|
|00:07:22||THIS IS AN EXCEPTION THAT SWALLOWS THE RULE.|
|00:07:26||THE HEALTH EXCEPTION MEANS THAT ABORTION IS LEGAL, PERIOD.|
|00:07:32||UP UNTIL THE MOMENT THAT THE CHILD IS COMPLETELY SEPARATED -- THE POINT OF THE PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION DEBATE IS THE CHILD ASK ALL BUT SEPARATED.|
|00:07:42||THE CHILD IS COMPLETELY DELIVERED EXCEPT FOR THE HEAD.|
|00:07:45||AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE ROE V.|
|00:07:46||WADE IS EXTREME?|
|00:07:49||UNDER ROE V. WADE, THE SUPREME COURT SAID THAT THREE INCHES FROM SEPARATION -- THREE INCHES FROM SEPARATION STILL IS COVERED BY ROE V.|
|00:08:04||WADE. 38 WEEKS, THREE INCHES FROM BEING BORN, YOU CAN STILL KILL YOUR CHILD.|
|00:08:11||IT'S INTERESTING WHEN THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA WENT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WOMEN HAVE, SHE SAID, YOU CAN DELIVER YOUR CHILDTAINED IT HOME.|
|00:08:19||YOU CAN DELIVER YOUR CHILD AND GIVE IT UP FOR ADOPTION.|
|00:08:23||OR YOU CAN TERMINATE THE PREGNANCY.|
|00:08:25||SHE DIDN'T SAY -- SHE USED THE TERM "CHILD" IN THE FIRST TWO INSTANCES BUT IN THE THIRD INSTANCE IT IS "TERMINATE A PREGNANCY.|
|00:08:36||" AS IF THIS CHILD DOESN'T EXIST.|
|00:08:37||THE THIRD OPTION IS YOU CAN KILL YOUR CHILD.|
|00:08:39||THAT'S THE OPTION.|
|00:08:41||IT'S -- I MEAN, IT IS VERY STARK.|
|00:08:43||IT SOUNDS RATHER COLD.|
|00:08:46||BUT IT IS.|
|00:08:49||THE EXTREME NATURE OF ROE V.|
|00:08:52||WADE, IF REALLY KNOWN BY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THESE NUMBERS THAT I'VE BEEN READING WOULD BE EVEN HIGHER.|
|00:09:00||THIS 30% THAT SAYS IT SHOULD BE GENERALLY AVAILABLE -- IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION, SHOULD IT BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL CIRCUMSTANCES AT ANY TIME UP TO THE MOMENT OF SEPARATION, INCLUDING UP TO 39 1/2 WEEKS, I DARE SAY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ROE V.|
|00:09:18||WADE, WHICH IS THE LAW, WOULD BE IN THE VERY LOW DOUBLE DIGITS AND I WOULD HOPE SINGLE DIGITS, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT.|
|00:09:29||I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY POLLING IN THAT, BECAUSE NO POLLSTER ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHAT THE PLAU REALLY IS.|
|00:09:34||THEY PUT IT IN THESE FUZZY TERMS TO GATHER MORE PEOPLE.|
|00:09:39||BUT EVEN WITH THIS FUZZY LANGUAGE, EVEN WRITTEN IN A WAY FOR THE PRO-CHOICE GROUPS TO GET THE BEST NUMBER THEY POSSIBLY CAN, TWO-THIRDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OPPOSE ROE V.|
|00:09:53||WADE. SO I JUST WANT TO -- AND I FIND IT REMARKABLE THAT THE SENATOR FROM IOWA LAST NIGHT GOT UP AND CALLED MY OPPOSITION TO THIS EXTREME, WHEN TWO-THIRDS -- YOU I SAID OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA -- TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICAN WOMEN SAY WHAT THE SENATOR FROM IOWA IS DOING IS EXTREME.|
|00:10:13||IS WRONG, IS NOT WHAT THEY BELIEVE.|
|00:10:16||HE DOES NOT REPRESENT THEM.|
|00:10:21||HIS EXTREME VIEWS -- AND THEY ARE EXTREME -- NOT BY MY DEFINITION, NOLT BY MY MORALITY MORALITY, NOT BY MY THEOLOGY, BUT BY LOOKING AT WHAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC BELIEVES.|
|00:10:38||EXTREME MEANS OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM, ON THE EDGE.|
|00:10:44||AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE POLLING DATA NOW ON ABORTION, ROE V.|
|00:10:48||WADE IS ON THE EDGE.|
|00:10:50||IS NOT WHERE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC S -- IS.|
|00:10:56||ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT, I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE, IS MEDICAL SCIENCE.|
|00:11:04||I SAW A TV COMMERCIAL THE OTHER DAY WITH -- I THINK IT'S CALLED "THE 4-D SONOGRAM," OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.|
|00:11:16||WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THESE 3- D OR 4-D IMAGES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, BUT COLOR IMAGES OF A CHILD IN THE WOMB.|
|00:11:25||I SAW AN ARTICLE YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE IN THE PAPER TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY CAN SEE A BABY IN THE WOMB SMILE, HAVE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, AND IT GAVE RISE TO A STUDY OR A DISCUSSION AS TO WHETHER CHILDREN OF THE WOMB, HOW MUCH PAIN THEY FEEL.|
|00:11:44||IT'S VERY HARD FORBE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC -- AND I KNOW THIS IS A BATTLE THAT PEOPLE USUALLYLY INTERNALIZE.|
|00:11:50||MOST PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT ABORTION.|
|00:11:53||WHEN THEY SEE THOSE IMAGES, SEE THIS LITTLE BABY IN THE WOMB, IN THIS COMMERCIAL -- IT IS A G.|
|00:12:00||E. COMMERCIAL -- I THANK THEM FOR THE COURAGE TO RUN THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS INCREDIBLE THE AMOUNT OF HEAT THEY GOT -- FROM WHOM?|
|00:12:07||FROM THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHO CALL THEMSELVES WOMEN'S PRITES ORGANIZATIONS, WHO ARE PRESSURING GENERAL ELECTRIC TO PULL THE AD.|
|00:12:15||THESE ARE WOMEN'S RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS WHO DON'T WANT WOMEN TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THEIR OWN BODY.|
|00:12:23||BUT THEY ARE EA WOMEN'S RIGHTS-- --BUT THEY'RE WOMEN'S RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS.|
|00:12:28||THEY WANT TO HIDE FACTS FROM THE VERY PEOPLE THEY WANT TO -- QUOTE -- "GIVE RIGHTS TO.|
|00:12:33||" THEY DON'T WANT THEM TO SEE.|
|00:12:34||THEY WANT TO KEEP THE DECEPTION OF THE VERY PEOPLE THEY SAY WHOSE RIGHTS THEY ARE PROTECTING.|
|00:12:41||BUT GENERAL ELECTRIC TO THEIR CREDIT, KEPT THE AD ABOUT THIS INCREDIBLE NEW TECHNOLOGY.|
|00:12:49||AT THE END OF THE AD YOU SEE THIS CLOSE-UP OF THIS BABY IN THE WOMB, THIS LITTLE FACE, AND THEN IT DISSOLVES INTO THE FACE OF THE BABY SUBSEQUENTLY BEING BORN, THE SAME FACE.|
|00:13:03||IT'S NOT A DIFFERENT BABY.|
|00:13:05||IT'S NOT ONE BABY IN THE WOMB AND ANOTHER BABY IN THE MOTHER'S ARMS A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER.|
|00:13:13||IT IS THE SAME BEAFMBIT -- BABY.|
|00:13:16||BUT THE OTHER SIDE, THE WOMEN'S RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT.|
|00:13:19||THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SEE THAT.|
|00:13:22||THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ABORTION IS.|
|00:13:29||THE REASON I HAVE BEEN SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ISSUE OF PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION IS BECAUSE FOR A LONG TIME IN THIS COUNTRY, THE WHOLE DEBATE ABOUT ABORTION WAS ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF WOMEN -- ONLY, ONLY.|
|00:13:41||YOU NEVER SAW THE BABY.|
|00:13:45||BECAUSE IN AN ABORTION, YOU REALLY DON'T SEE THE BABY.|
|00:13:50||PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION, YOU CAN'T MISS THE BABY.|
|00:13:53||IT IS A BABY. IT IS MOVING.|
|00:13:55||IT WOULD -- THIS BABY WOULD OTHERWISE BE BORN ALIVE BECAUSE OF THE LATE-TERM NATURE OF WHEN THESE ABORTIONS ARE DONE.|
|00:14:03||AND WE'RE BEING CALLED "EXTREME "EXTREME" BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO ALLOW A PROCEDURE WHICH ALLOWS THE BABY, WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE BORN ALIVE, WHO IN 99% OF THE CASES IS HEALTHY, WITH A HEALTHY MOTHER MOTHER, TO BE DELIVERED IN A BREECH POSITION AND HAVE A -- HAVE A PAIR OF SCISSORS THRUST INTO THE BACK OF THE BABY'S HEAD WHEN THEY'RE LITERALLY INCHES AWAY FROM BEING BORN?|
|00:14:32||WE'RE EXTREME IF WE WANT TO STOP THAT?|
|00:14:38||I MEAN, GEORGE ORWELL IN 1984 COULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD TWIST THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE SO MUCH THAT SUCH HORRENDOUS ACTIONS WOULD BE TWISTED TO SOMEHOW WE WOULD BE THE EXTREMISTS IN TRYING TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF THESE LITTLE CHILDREN, NOT TO BE TREATED IN SUCH A HORRIBLE FASHION.|
|00:15:09||NO -- NO, WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED, AND WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THIS DEBATE ON THE MOTION TO DISAGREE WITH HOUSE AMENDMENTS.|
|00:15:23||AND I'LL REQUESTING EVERY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES -- BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE -- TO VOTE TO DISAGREE WITH HOUSE AMENDMENTS.|
|00:15:28||WHY? BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU GET TO CONFERENCE.|
|00:15:31||THIS IS A PROCEDURAL MOTION.|
|00:15:32||I'VE NEVER, IN MY NINE YEARS, RECALL THAT WE EVER HAD A DEBATE ABOUT BHAS STRICTLY A PROCEDURAL MOTION TO GO TO CONFERENCE.|
|00:15:41||BUT SOME POINT IS TRYING TO BE MADE, WHICH FRANKLY ESCAPES ME, THAT SOMEHOW IF WE VOTE FOR THE DISAGREEMENT THAT SOMEHOW WE'RE ARGUING THAT WE'RE FOR THE SENATE VERSION VERSUS THE HOUSE VERSION.|
|00:15:57||WHAT WE'RE FOR IS A BILL THAT WILL BE PASSED BY BOTH CHAMBERS AND SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT, AND THAT WILL BE THE ORIGINAL CONTENTS OF S.|
|00:16:04||3, WHICH I SUSPECT WILL PASS HERE AND WILL PASS HOPEFULLY BY A VERY LARGE MARGIN.|
|00:16:13||THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA -- I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE POINTS THAT SHE MADE -- SHE TALKS ABOUT THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE AND SHE PUT A CHART UP OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT COULD GO WRONG WITH A WOMAN IN THE CASE OF NOT HAVING -- CASES OF NOT HAVING A PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION AVAILABLE.|
|00:16:38||I THINK WE JUST NEED TO REVIEW THE FACTS.|
|00:16:42||AGAIN, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN OPINION.|
|00:16:44||YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS.|
|00:16:47||5,000 PEOPLE DYING FROM ABORTION PRIOR TO ROE V.|
|00:16:50||WADE A YEAR.|
|00:16:54||FACTUALLY INCORRECT. UNSUPPORTABLE.|
|00:16:59||WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH THE MOVEMENT -- AS I COMMENTED EARLIER -- WHO SAID THEY MAIPED THE NUMBER.|
|00:17:06||YET-- --WHO SAID THEY MADE UP THE NUMBER.|
|00:17:10||YET 30 YEARS LATER THEY'RE STILL USING THE NUMBER, IN SPITE OF THE BUREAU -- THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR HEALTH STATISTICS, THE FEDERAL AGENCY AT THE TIME WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING TRACK OF THE NUMBER OF MATERNAL DEATHS AND DEATHS BY MOTHERS DUE TO ABORTION SAY THERE WERE -- ONE GROUP -- WELL, ACTUALLY THERE WERE TWO ORGANIZATIONS.|
|00:17:33||ONE WAS STRT FOR DISEASE CONTROL.|
|00:17:35||THEY SAID 83.|
|00:17:37||THEY JUST BEGAN THAT YEAR KEEPING TRACK.|
|00:17:40||AND THEN THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR HEALTH STATISTICS SAID 70.|
|00:17:44||SO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 83.|
|00:17:48||NOT 5,000. YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN FACTS TO INFLUENCE THE DECISION MAKING OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC OR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.|
|00:17:58||IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE YOUR ARXT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION.|
|00:18:01||I RESPECT YOUR OPINION.|
|00:18:02||A LOT OF PEOPLE HOLD THAT OPINION IN THIS COUNTRY, AND IT SHOULD BE REPRESENTED HERE.|
|00:18:07||BUT IT SHOULD BE REPRESENTED HONESTLY.|
|00:18:11||IT SHOULD BE AN HONEST DEBATE ABOUT WHAT THE CASE WAS BEFORE ROE V.|
|00:18:15||WADE AND AN HONEST DEBATE AS TO WHAT THE CASE IS NOW.|
|00:18:20||AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT NEITHER HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD BY THE OTHER SIDE.|
|00:18:25||THEY EXAGGERATE CLAIMS OF WHAT WAS GOING ON BEFORE AND THEY MINIMIZE WHAT'S GOING ON NOW.|
|00:18:31||THEY MINIMIZE THE REAL EFFECTS OF ROE V.|
|00:18:34||WADE. YOU NEVER HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT THE 1.|
|00:18:38||3 MILLION ABORTIONS A YEAR THAT GO -- TALKING ABOUT 5,000.|
|00:18:42||WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 83.|
|00:18:43||WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1.|
|00:18:47||3 MILLION CHILDREN DIE FROM ABORTION IN THIS COUNTRY.|
|00:18:51||A THIRD OF ALL PREGNANCIES, SOMEWHAT LESS THAN A THIRD NOW.|
|00:18:56||THANKFULLY IT'S COME DOWN.|
|00:18:57||BUT ROUGHLY A THIRD OF EVERY CHILD CONCEIVEED IN THIS COUNTRY ENDS -- THEIR LIFE ENDS BEFORE THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO ENJOY THE FREEDOM THAT THIS COUNTRY PROVIDES T LAST NIGHT I HAD A DISCUSSION OF HOW THIS COUNTRY IN THIS ISSUE IS OUT OF WHACK.|
|00:19:25||AND HOW WE HAVE PUT THE LIBERTY RIGHTS OF A WOMAN ABOVE THE LIFE RIGHTS OF HER CHILD.|
|00:19:38||AND AS I SAID LAST NIGHT, THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT IN THIS COUNTRY WAS BACK IN THE 18 -- EARLY00'S.|
|00:19:48||WE PUT THE LIBERTY RIGHTS OF THE SLAVE ONER ABOVE THE LIFE RIGHTS OF THE-- --WE PUT THE LIBERTY RIGHTS OF THE SLAVE OWNER ABOVE THE LIVE RIGHTS OF THE SLAVE.|
|00:19:58||I REFERRED TO THE DECISION AS DRED SCOTT II BECAUSE FOR THE SECOND TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY, I WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE FOUNDING DOCUMENT OF OUR COUNTRY, THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, WHICH SAID THAT WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EVIDENT.|
|00:20:19||BACK THEN WE ACTUALLY USED VERY LOFTY TERMS LIKE "TRUTHS.|
|00:20:25||" ABSOLUTE THINGS THAT WE ALL AGREED ON.|
|00:20:31||WE BELIEVED THAT THERE WAS TRUTH AND YOU COULD ACTUALLY FIND WHAT THIS TRUTH S WE SAID "WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF-EST DENT THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.|
|00:20:43||THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR, WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS.|
|00:20:51||AND THEY LISTED THREE.|
|00:20:52||THE THREE FOUNDATIONAL RIGHTS UPON WHICH THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED.|
|00:20:57||LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.|
|00:21:00||NOT LIFE, HAPPINESS, LIFE.|
|00:21:02||NOT HAPPINESS, LIFE, LIBERTY.|
|00:21:05||LIFE, LIBERTY, AND HAPPINESS.|
|00:21:09||BECAUSE IT SOUNDED BETTER?|
|00:21:12||LIFE, LIBERTY, PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS SOUNDED BETTER THANK HAPPINESS, LIBERTY, LIFE?|
|00:21:17||IS THAT WHY THEY DID THAT?|
|00:21:18||IT JUST SOUNDED BETTER?|
|00:21:19||EVER SPON IS REALLY GOOD AT WRITING THESE THINGS.|
|00:21:24||LET'S PUT LIFE, LIBERTY, THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.|
|00:21:28||THAT SOUNDS NICE.|
|00:21:29||HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK THAT'S THE REASON THEY DID IT THAT WAY?|
|00:21:32||OF COURSE NOT.|
|00:21:34||HE WROTE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY YOU HAVE TO WRITE IT.|
|00:21:38||YOU CAN'T HAVE HAPPINESS WITHOUT FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.|
|00:21:41||HOW CAN YOU TRULY BE HAPPY -- HOW CAN YOU TRULY PURSUE WHAT GOD HAS CALLED YOU TO DO IN THIS LIFE IF YOU'RE NOT TREE TO DO IT?|
|00:21:49||IF SOMEONE TELLS YOU WHAT YOU MUST DO OR WHAT YOU MUST SAY, WHAT YOU MUST BELIEVE, AND LIKEWISE, HOW CAN YOU BE FREE?|
|00:22:05||HOW CAN YOU HAVE LIBERTY?|
|00:22:07||IF YOU'RE DEAD OR THE EQUIVALENT OF DEAD, IN THE CASE OF THE SLAVE?|
|00:22:16||NO, THEY'RE THERE FOR A REASON.|
|00:22:18||AND THEY'RE IN THAT ORDER FOR A REASON.|
|00:22:25||AND ROE V.|
|00:22:27||WADE SCRAMBLES THEM, JUST LIKE DRED SCOTT SCRAMBLED THEM.|
|00:22:32||IT WAS WRONG THEN.|
|00:22:34||AND IT'S WRONG NOW.|
|00:22:36||IT WAS LEGAL THEN.|
|00:22:40||WHY? BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT SAID SO.|
|00:22:45||AND IT'S LEGAL NOW.|
|00:22:47||WHY? BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT SAID SO.|
|00:22:53||BACK THEN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE STOOD UP ON THIS FLOOR -- THIS VERY FLOOR -- AND SAID, NO.|
|00:23:02||AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS AMERICA SAID, NO.|
|00:23:06||WE HAD GREATER LEADERS IN OUR COUNTRY, INCLUDING PRESIDENT LINCOLN, WHO SAID "NO.|
|00:23:11||BUT REMEMBER, THE MAINSTREAM VIEW WAS, WHO ARE WE HERE IN THIS CHAMBER TO TELL OTHERS HOW THEY SHOULD LIVE THEIR LIFE LIFE?|
|00:23:25||WHO ARE WE -- I'M NOT GOD.|
|00:23:28||I'M NOT GOD.|
|00:23:29||HOW CAN I TELL A SLAVEHOLDER THAT THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT THEY DID IN THE BIBLE, OWN SLAVES?|
|00:23:36||IT'S BEEN THE TRADITION OF THIS KUFMBIT WHO AM I?|
|00:23:41||-- WHO AM I TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES FOR OTHER PEOPLE?|
|00:23:45||I TRUST THEM.|
|00:23:47||I TRUST THEIR JUDGMENT.|
|00:23:49||I TRUST THEIR MOFERMENT -- I TRUST THEIR MORALITY.|
|00:23:54||HOW DARE YOU NOT TRUST THESE PEOPLE, THAT THEY ARE TREATING THESE PEOPLE KINDLY, THAT THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR THEM?|
|00:24:06||HOW UNEDUCATED OF TO YOU FREELY THAT WAY.|
|00:24:10||THESE ARGUMENTS SOUND -- HAVE A SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR RING TO THEM?|
|00:24:15||IT IS THE SAME DEBATE, AND IT IS JUST AS WRONG.|
|00:24:22||FOR IT IS OUR JOB HERE TO SAY WHAT IS PRITE AND WHAT IS WRONG.|
|00:24:26||THAT'S WHAT PLAUS ARE.|
|00:24:29||-- --THAT'S WHAT LAWS ARE.|
|00:24:30||LAWS ARE THE REFLECTION OF THE COLLECTIVE MORALITY OF OUR COUNTRY.|
|00:24:35||AND ROE V.|
|00:24:36||WADE WAS A USURPATION OF THAT COLLECTIVE MORALITY.|
|00:24:39||IT WAS A HIJACKING OF THE COLLECTIVE MORALITY OF THIS COUNTRY.|
|00:24:44||BY NINE JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT.|
|00:24:46||WHO DECIDED THEY WOULD PLAY AND NOW WE JUST FOLLOW ALONG.|
|00:24:57||JUST LIKE SO MANY DID IN THE EARLY 1800'S.|
|00:25:01||WE JUST FOLLOWED ALONG.|
|00:25:03||WHY? BECAUSE IT IS THE LAW.|
|00:25:05||AND WHO ARE WE WILL TO JUDGE THESE WOMEN-- --AND WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE THESE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE SLAVES?|
|00:25:13||WHO ARE WE?|
|00:25:16||WHO ARE WE?|
|00:25:22||THAT'S A QUESTION ALL OF US NEED TO ASK.|
|00:25:31||WHO ARE YOU?|
|00:25:32||HOW MUCH ARE YOU STANDING UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT WHEN IN MANY CASES WE KNOW IT IS RIGHT, AND HOW OFTEN DO YOU JUST SORT OF TURN AWAY AND SAY, WELL, THAT'S THE LAW.|
|00:25:45||IT'S NOT A COMFORTABLE ISSUE.|
|00:25:46||SORT OF LEAVE IT ALOAN.|
|00:25:47||AND SO WE PASS LEGISLATION, LANGUAGE, SENSES OF THE SENATE THAT SAY, THIS LAW, DRED SCOTT II, IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD CONTINUE IN AMERICA.|
|00:26:05||I BELIEVE, AS MUCH AS I BELIEVE THAT I'M STANDING RIGHT HERE TODAY THAT THIS LAW WILL BE OVERTURNED, NOT BY THE COURAGE OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, NOT BY THE COURAGE OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, NOT BY THE COURAGE OF GOVERNORS OR JUDGES, BUT BY THE WISDOM OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.|
|00:26:38||WHO HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN.|
|00:26:40||THE MORE PEOPLE FIND OUT ABOUT THE INJUSTICE THAT ABORTION IS AND THE EXTREMENESS OF ROE V.|
|00:26:47||WADE, PEOPLE ARE CHANGING.|
|00:26:49||AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S IN DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO HANG ON-- --THERE'S THIS DESPERATE ATTEMPT TO HANG ON TO ROE V.|
|00:26:57||WADE TO PROP IT BACK UP, THIS RESEARCHED DECISION THAT'S AFFECTING SO MUCH OF OUR -- DHSH WRETCHED DECISION THAT'S AFFECTING SO MUCH OF OUR SOCIETY.|
|00:27:13||WELL, I WILL JUST SAY THIS: MY TIME IS ALMOST UP.|
|00:27:20||WE'RE GOING HAVE A CHANCE IN A FEW WEEKS, ONCE WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION OF DISAGREEMENT, TO VOTE ON THE CONFERENCE REPORT ON S.|
|00:27:30||3, WHICH IS THE PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTION BAN.|
|00:27:35||WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- I HOPE IT WILL NOT BE FILIBUSTERED -- TO VOTE STRAIGHT UP OR DOWN ON WHETHER TO SEND THIS BILL TO THE PRESIDENT, WHICH HE SAID HE WILL SIGN.|
|00:27:45||AND SEND IT ACROSS THE STREET, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO END UP, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE UNITED STATES SENATE HAPPENS TO BE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.|
|00:27:55||AND THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THIS PROCEDURE, BASED ON THE FACTUAL RECORD THAT THERE IS NO REASON -- AND AGAIN I CHALLENGE ANY MEMBER ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE TO COME FORWARD WITH A REASON WHY THIS PROCEDURE NEEDS TO BE LEGAL FOR THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:28:17||NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE HAS BEEN TENERED INTO THE RECORD -- EVER -- THAT THIS PROCEDURE WAS EVER NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:28:27||NO ONE EVEN MAKES THE ARGUMENT IT PROTECTS THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:28:30||BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A CASE INTRODUCED THAT HAS NOT BEEN REFUTED 30 DIFFERENT WAYS THAT SUGGESTS THAT THIS PROCEDURE IS NECESSARY FOR HEALTH.|
|00:28:43||AND SO THE ELIMINATE EXCEPTION OF ROE V.|
|00:28:45||WADE AS A RESULT, IS NOT APPLICABLE.|
|00:28:49||BECAUSE THERE IS NO MEDICAL REASON WHY THIS PROCEDURE NEEDS TO BE LEGAL.|
|00:28:56||IN ADDITION -- IN ADDITION, WE HAVE TIGHTENED THE LANGUAGE.|
|00:29:02||THE OTHER CONCERN IN THE COURT WAS THAT IT WAS VAGUE AND COULD HAVE INCLUDED OTHER LATE-TERM ABORTION PROCEDURES.|
|00:29:08||WELL, I THINK MANY IN THIS CHAMBER WOULD LIKE TO BAN ALL LATE-TERM ABORTION PROCEDURES.|
|00:29:13||THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS BILL DOES.|
|00:29:16||IT SIMPLY BANS A PROCEDURE WHICH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC -- ANY WHERE FROM THE POLLS -- 70%, 80% -- BELIEVE THAT THAT PROCEDURE SHOULD BE BANNED.|
|00:29:30||AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE WITH 70% OR 80% OF THE AMERICAN PUBLIC YOU'RE HARDLY IN THE EXTREME.|
|00:29:36||BY DEFINITION YOU CAN'T -- THIS CAN'T BE EXTREME IF 70% TO 80% OF THE PUBLIC SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.|
|00:29:43||BUT WE'VE TIGHTENED THE LANGUAGE TO BAN "A" PROCEDURE, JUST ONE -- THIS ONE.|
|00:29:50||SO THERE'S NO DOUBT NOW THAT THE COURT HAD BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE NEBRASKA STATUTE, THAT WE MIGHT INCLUDE OTHER ABORTION TECHNIQUES.|
|00:29:59||WE'RE INCLUDING ONE TECHNIQUE, THIS ONE.|
|00:30:02||A TECHNIQUE THAT IS NEVER USED -- NEVER USED -- TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OR LIFE OF THE MOTHER.|
|00:30:09||AND, THEREFORE, IT SHOULD, EVEN THOUGH ROE V.|
|00:30:14||WADE IS AS EXPANSIVE A RIGHT AS THERE EXISTS IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY -- AND LET ME REPEAT THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ACCURATE.|
|00:30:22||THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION IN AMERICA IS MORE ABSOLUTE THAN THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH, THAN THE RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, THAN THE RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF THE PRESS.|
|00:30:35||UNDER CONSTITUTIONAL INTERPRETATION, THERE IS NO LIMITATION ON THE RIGHT TO ABORTION -- NONE.|
|00:30:42||WHERE THESE OTHERS, ALL HAVE LIMITS.|
|00:30:45||NOW, I WOULD ARGUE NOT GREAT LIMITS, BUT THEY'RE ALL LIMITED IN SOME FASHION.|
|00:30:48||BY THE COURT AND BY STATUTE.|
|00:30:52||THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND CONSTITUTIONAL.|
|00:30:58||IN THE COURT.|
|00:31:00||EXCEPT ABORTION, THERE IS NO LIMIT.|
|00:31:03||THERE IS NO PRACTICAL LIMITATION ON THE RIGHT TO ABORTION.|
|00:31:07||THIS CANDIDLY AND UNFORTUNATELY IN SOME RESPECTS IS NOT A LIMITATION ON ABORTION EITHER.|
|00:31:12||BECAUSE IF IT WERE A LIMITATION ON ABORTION, THE COURT WOULD FIND IT UNCONSTITUTIONAL.|
|00:31:18||BUT IT'S NOT.|
|00:31:19||IT' A BAVENING-- --BANNING OF A PROCEDURE THAT IS A ROGUE PROCEDURE THAT IS UNHEALTHY.|
|00:31:29||WE HAVE MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE, MOUNTAINS OF EVIDENCE FROM EXPERTS IN MATERNAL FETAL MEDICINE WHO SAY THIS PROCEDURE IS THE LEAST HEALTHY OPTION FOR WOMEN.|
|00:31:39||AND OBVIOUSLY THE MOST HORRENDOUS AND BRUTAL TO THE CHILD.|
|00:31:44||SO THAT'S OUR PLEA.|
|00:31:47||IT IS A MODEST ONE.|
|00:31:51||IT'S SO MODEST THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE EVEN PURSUING IT, ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE.|
|00:31:58||WHY ARE YOU PURSUING THIS?|
|00:31:59||IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.|
|00:32:01||IT'S GOING TO BAR ONE PROCEDURE THAT'S NOT USED VERY MUCH.|
|00:32:04||A FEW THOUSAND TIMES A YEAR.|
|00:32:08||BUT, AS THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA SAYS, EVERY LIFE MATTERS.|
|00:32:11||EVERY CASE IS A TRAGEDY.|
|00:32:16||SO WE SHOULD DO IT IF WE CAN.|
|00:32:22||AND SO WE WILL. HOPEFULLY IN A FEW WEEKS.|
|00:32:25||PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR.|
|00:32:26||MRS. BOXER: MR. PRESIDENT?|
|00:32:27||THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENATOR FROM CALIFORNIA.|
|00:32:29||BOXER: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.|
|00:32:30||AND I'VE GONE TO ONE MEETING AND I HAVE ANOTHER HEARING.|
|00:32:32||AND I DO APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUE FROM PENNSYLVANIA BEING SO GRACIOUS AS TO WORK THE TIME SO THAT I COULD CONTINUE TO COME BACK AND FORTH.|
|00:32:41||BEFORE I LEFT THE FLOOR, I PROMISED HIM THAT I WOULD PUT IN THE RECORD THE VARIOUS PUBLICATIONS|
Mr. SANTORUM. I appreciate the basic disagreement. I think we are allowed to disagree on our opinions. We are not allowed to argue and disagree with the facts. The facts are what they are. This is from the Centers for Disease Control. These are numbers out of the abstract. I will be happy to give them to the Senator. But these are from the National Center for Health Statistics of the Department of HEW. This was in 1975, so that is from the Department of Health, Education and Welfare at the time.
These were the official statistics of the United States.
Again, I am not challenging the remarks of the Senator that every life is important. But I think presenting accurate evidence is also important if we are going to have a discussion about what the case was. Let's look at the case of abortion-related deaths. In 1942 there were 1,231; total maternal deaths were 7,267. Every single year, without fail, every single year, the total number of maternal deaths went down because medicine improved. The total number of abortion-related deaths went down.
Why? Every year, I believe, without fail--there are 1 or 2 years where it popped back up and dropped back down--it went down almost in a direct line and was continuing to go down. So the idea that Roe v. Wade is saving even--in 1973 there were 36. The bottom line is that very few--given the number of pregnancies that were occurring in those years--very few women died as a result of ``botched'' abortions. The idea that thousands and thousands were--well, I will quote for you Bernard Nathanson, who was an abortion doctor at that time. He says: How many deaths are we talking about when abortion was illegal? In NARAL [that's the National Abortion Rights Action League] we generally emphasize the drama of the individual case.
You heard the Senator from California come back when I said the statistics are wrong.
We talk about the individual case, not the mass statistics. But when we spoke about the latter it was always 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year. I confess I knew these figures were totally false and I suppose the others did too if they stopped to think about it. But in the morality of our revolution it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics? The bottom line is we are making a policy decision based on, hopefully, factual evidence. I want to make that clear.
A couple of other things about what the Senator from California said and last night the Senator from Iowa said, that a majority of Americans support Roe v. Wade. Maybe if you asked the question, ``Do you support Roe v. Wade?'' a majority of Americans would say, ``Yes, it is the law of the land.'' Most people, if it is the law, generally comply with the law and so most people say it is probably fine, although if you describe what the law is without saying it is Roe v. Wade and ask if they agree, you find that a majority of Americans do not agree with Roe v. Wade.
In fact, there was a study done a couple of months ago by the Center for the Advancement of Women. Faye Wattleton, a very well known abortion rights advocate, formerly affiliated with Planned Parenthood--I believe the head of Planned Parenthood--instituted a study this summer, and they asked the question about abortion to women--not to men, to women. They found that 17 percent of women in America--this is a pro-choice group--17 percent of women in America said abortion should be banned, period--never legal. Another 34 percent said it should be against the law except in the case of rape, incest, and life of the mother. If you add 17 and 34--I will get one of the pages to add that up for me--it is 51; 51 percent of American women are either against abortion, period, or only in the case of rape, incest, and life of the mother, which if you ask people in this Chamber if you are against abortion except in the case of rape, incest, and life of the mother, you are considered pro-life. Most people in this Chamber who are pro-life are for the exception of rape, incest, and life of the mother.
So the majority of American women, according to an abortion rights group--who, by the way, described the results of this as ``disappointing''--don't agree with Roe v. Wade. A majority of American women do not agree.
Let me broaden that even further. They asked this question, as an option: It should be available but under stricter limits than now. In other words, it should be less available than Roe v. Wade allows. Add another 17 percent to that. Now we are up to 68 percent of women in this country who believe Roe v. Wade is wrong; 68 percent of women disagree with Roe v. Wade.
Now, the fourth category was: It should be generally available to those who want it. This is a very tricky thing. It should be generally available. It did not say, it should be what Roe v. Wade is, the law: It shall be available for any reason at any time. That is what Roe v. Wade is. This idea that this is a moderate, reasonable provision, Roe v. Wade, is nonsense.
Roe v. Wade and its subsequent decisions have established an absolute right to an abortion at any point in time. The Senator from California says the State can prohibit abortions, late-term abortions. I asked the Senator, and I have asked her more than once in these debates, and today--she has not provided any evidence--I asked her to give me one example where an abortion was stopped in this country under Roe v. Wade, an example where someone wanted an abortion and, because of the Supreme Court decisions, was barred. It does not happen. Why? The Senator says, well, there is this health exception that is very important. There always has to be a health exception.
Look at the Supreme Court cases that define what a health exception is. [Page: S11593] According to Doe v. Bolton, the companion case to Roe v. Wade, health means any health: Mental health, physical health, economic health, stress, distress. Anything that could possibly affect mental or physical health is a health exception.
What does that mean? This is an exception that swallows the rule. The health exception means that abortion is legal, period, up until the moment that the child is completely separated.
The point of the partial-birth abortion debate is the child is all but separated. The child is completely delivered except for the head. And you do not believe Roe v. Wade is extreme? Under Roe v. Wade, this Supreme Court said that 3 inches from separation still is covered by Roe v. Wade. At 38 weeks, 3 inches from being born, you can still kill your child.
It was interesting, when the Senator from California went through the different options a woman has. She said you can deliver your child and take it home, you can deliver your child and give it up for adoption, or you can terminate the pregnancy. She did not say--she used the term ``child'' in the first two instances, but in the third instance it is ``terminated pregnancy,'' as if the child does not exist.
The third option is to kill your child. That is the option. It is very stark. It sounds rather cold, chilly, but it is.
In the extreme nature of Roe v. Wade, if really known by the American public, these numbers I have been reading would be even higher--this 30 percent that says it should be generally available.
If you ask the question, Should it be available for all circumstances at any time up to the moment of separation, including up to 39 1/2 weeks, I daresay the number of people who would be supportive of Roe v. Wade, which is the law, would be in the very low double digits and, I would hope, single digits. But I don't know that. I have not seen any polling on that because no pollster asks the question of what the law really is. They put it in fuzzy terms to gather more people. But even with this fuzzy language, even written in a way for the pro-choice groups to get the best number they possibly can, two-thirds of the American people oppose Roe v. Wade.
I find it remarkable the Senator from Iowa last night got up and called my opposition to this extreme when two-thirds--I said of people, two-thirds of American women--say what the Senator from Iowa is doing is extreme, is wrong, is not what they believe. He does not represent them. His extreme views--and they are extreme, not by my definition, not by my morality, not by my theology, but looking at what the American public believes. Extreme means out of the mainstream, on the edge.
If you look at the polling data now on abortion, Roe v. Wade is on the edge; it is not where the American public is. One of the reasons for that, I happen to believe, is medical science. I saw a TV commercial the other day of what I think is called the 4-D sonogram, where you can actually see these 3- or 4-D images--I don't know what they are--but color images of a child in the womb. I saw an article in the paper talking about how they can see a baby in the womb smile and have facial expressions.
It gave rise to a study or discussion as to whether children of the womb feel pain, or how much.
It is very hard for the American public--and I know this is a battle that people usually internalize, and most people do not talk about abortion--when they see those images, see this little baby in the womb. There is a commercial. It is a GE commercial, and I thank them for the courage to run the commercial.
I know it was incredible the amount of heat they got. From whom? From these organizations that call themselves women's rights organizations, pressuring General Electric to pull the ad.
These are women's rights organizations that don't want women to know what is going on within their own body, but they are women's rights organizations. They want to hide facts from the very people they want to, ``give rights to.'' They don't want them to see. They want to keep the deception to the very people whose rights they say they are protecting.
But General Electric, to their credit, kept the ad about this incredible new technology. At the end of the ad, you see this closeup of this baby in the womb--this little face--and then it dissolves into the face of the baby, subsequently, after the baby is born--the same face. It is not a different baby. It is not one baby in the womb and another baby in its mother's arms a couple months later. It is the same baby.
But the other side, the ``women's rights'' organizations, don't want you to know that. They don't want you to see that. They don't want you to understand what abortion is.
The reason I have been so passionate about the issue of partial-birth abortion is because, for a long time in this country, the whole debate about abortion was about the rights of women only--only. You never saw the baby because in an abortion, you do not see the baby. In partial-birth abortion, you cannot miss the baby. It is a baby. It is moving. This baby would otherwise be born alive because of the late-term nature of when these abortions are done. We are being called extreme because we do not want to allow a procedure which allows the baby--who would otherwise be born alive, who in 99 percent of the cases is healthy, with a healthy mother--to be delivered in a breach position, and have a pair of scissors thrust into the back of the baby's head, when they are literally inches away from being born? We are extreme if we want to stop that? George Orwell, in 1984, could not have thought we could twist the English language so much that such horrendous actions would be twisted to somehow we would be the extremists in trying to defend the rights of these little children not to be treated in such a horrible fashion.
No. No. We are going to proceed. And we are going to proceed with this debate on the motion to disagree with House amendments. And I make a request of every one of my colleagues from both sides of the aisle to vote to disagree with the House amendment. Why? Because that is the way you get to conference.
This is a procedural motion. I never, in my 9 years, recall that we ever had a debate about what is strictly a procedural motion to go to conference. But some point is trying to be made, which, frankly, escapes me, that somehow if we vote for the disagreement, somehow we are arguing that we are for the Senate version versus the House version. What we are for is a bill that will be passed by both Chambers and signed by the President, and that will be the original contents of S. 3, which I suspect will pass here and pass, hopefully, by a very large margin.
I want to go through some of the points the Senator from California made. She talks about the medical evidence, and she put a chart up of all of the things that could go wrong with a woman in the cases of not having a partial-birth abortion available. I think we just need to review the facts. Again, you are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.
Five thousand people dying from abortion prior to Roe v. Wade a year--factually incorrect, unsupportable. We have people who were involved in the movement, as I commented earlier, who said they made up the number. Yet 30 years later, they are still using the number in spite of the National Center for Health Statistics, the Federal agency at the time that was responsible for keeping track of the number of maternal deaths, deaths of mothers due to abortion, saying--actually, there were two organizations.
One was the Center for Disease Control. They said 83. They just began that year keeping track. And then the National Center for Health Statistics said 70. So somewhere between 70 and 83, not 5,000.
You are not entitled to your own facts to influence the decisionmaking of the American public or Members of Congress. If you are going to make your argument, you are entitled to your opinion. I can respect your opinion. A lot of people hold that opinion in this country, and it should be represented here, but it should be represented honestly. It should be an honest debate about what the case was before Roe v. Wade, and an honest debate as to what the case is now. I would argue that neither has been put forward by the other side.
They exaggerate claims of what was going on before. They minimize what is going on now. They minimize the real [Page: S11594] effects of Roe v. Wade. You never hear them talk about the 1.3 million abortions a year that go on. I am not talking about 5,000 or 83. I am talking about 1.3 million children die from abortion in this country--a third of all pregnancies; somewhat less than a third now. Thankfully, it has come down. But for roughly a third of all children conceived in this country, their lives end before they have a chance to enjoy the freedoms this country provides.
Last night, I had a discussion of how this country on this issue is out of whack, how we have put the liberty rights of a woman above the life rights of her child. As I said last night, the last time we did that in this country was back in the early 1800s. We put the liberty rights of the slave owner above the life rights of the slave.
I refer and have referred to the Roe v. Wade decision as Dred Scott II because it is the second time in the history of this country we have taken the fundamental premise of our country--the founding document of our country, the Declaration of Independence, which said, ``We hold these truths to be self-evident''--back then we actually used very lofty terms such as ``truths,'' absolute things that we all agreed on, the truth. They believed there was a truth and that you could actually find what that truth is.
We said: We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal--all--and that they are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights. And they listed three--the three foundational rights upon which this country was founded--life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--not liberty, happiness, life; not happiness, life, liberty--life, liberty, happiness. Why? Because it sounded better? Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness sounds better than happiness, liberty, life? Is that why they did that? It sounded better? Jefferson was good at writing, and he just said: Boy, this sounds better. I will put life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. That sounds nice? How many people think that is the reason they did it that way? Of course not. He wrote it that way because that is the way you have to write it. You can't have happiness without freedom and liberty. How can you truly be happy, how can you truly pursue what God has called you to do in this life if you are not free to do it, if someone tells you what you must do or what you must say, what you must believe. Likewise, how can you be free, how can you have liberty if you are dead or the equivalent of dead in the case of the slave? They are there for a reason, and they are in that order for a reason. Roe v. Wade scrambles them, just like Dred Scott scrambled them. It was wrong then. It is wrong now. It was legal then. Why? Because the Supreme Court said so. It is legal now. Why? Because the Supreme Court said so.
Back then a bunch of people stood up on this very floor and said no. Millions of people across America said no. We had great leaders in our country, including President Lincoln, who said no. Remember the mainstream view was, who are we to tell others how they should live their life? Who are we? I am not God. How can I tell a slaveholder they can't do something they did in the Bible, own slaves? That has been the tradition of this country. Who am I to make those choices for other people? I trust them. I trust their judgment. I trust their morality. How dare you not trust these people that they are not treating these people kindly, that they aren't doing the right thing for them? How uneducated of you to feel that way.
Do these arguments have a somewhat familiar ring to them? It is the same debate. It is just as wrong. For it is our job here to say what is right and what is wrong. That is what laws are. Laws are the reflection of the collective morality of our country. Roe v. Wade was a usurpation of that collective morality. It was a hijacking of the collective morality of this country by nine Justices of the Supreme Court who decided they would play God. Now we just follow along as so many did in the early 1800s. They just followed along. Why? Because it was the law. And who are we to judge these people who own these slaves? Who are we? Who are we? That is a question all of us need to ask: Who are you? How much are you standing up for what you believe is right and what, in many cases, we know is right, and how often do you just sort of turn away and say: Well, that is the law? It is an uncomfortable issue and we will just leave it alone. And so we pass language, sense-of-the-Senate language that says this law, Dred Scott II, is something that should continue in America.
I believe, as much as I believe that I am standing right here today, that this law will be overturned, not by the courage of Senators, not by the courage of Governors or judges, but by the wisdom of the American people. We are seeing it happen. The more people find out about the injustice that abortion is and the extremeness of Roe v. Wade, people are changing. That is why there is this desperate attempt to hang on, to codify Roe v. Wade or to support Roe v. Wade, to prop it back up, this wretched decision that is affecting so much of society.
We are going to have a chance in a few weeks, once we pass this resolution of disagreement, to vote on the conference report on S. 3, which is the partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act. We will have an opportunity--I hope it will not be filibustered--to vote straight up or down on whether to send this bill to the President, which he said he will sign, and send it across the street. That is where it is going to end up. Across the street from the Senate happens to be the Supreme Court of the United States. They will have another opportunity to look at this procedure based on the factual record.
Again, I challenge any Member on either side of the aisle to come forward with a reason why this procedure needs to be legal for the health of the mother. Not one piece of evidence has been entered in the record ever that this procedure was ever necessary to protect the health of the mother. No one even makes an argument that it protects the life of the mother, but there has never been a case introduced that has not been refuted 30 different ways that suggests that this procedure is necessary for health. So the health exception of Roe v. Wade, as a result, is not applicable here because there is no medical reason why this procedure needs to be legal.
In addition, we have tightened the language. The other concern in the Court was that it was vague and could have included other late-term abortion procedures. There are many in this Chamber who would like to ban all late-term abortion procedures. That is not what this bill does. It simply bans a procedure which the vast majority of the American public, anywhere from 70 percent to 80 percent, believe should be banned. By the way, if you are with 70 or 80 percent of the American public, you are hardly on the extreme. By definition this can't be extreme if 70 to 80 percent of the American public support what you are doing.
We have tightened the language to ban a procedure, just one--this one. So there is no doubt now that the Court had before, because of the language in the Nebraska statute, that we might include other abortion techniques. We are including one technique, this one, a technique that is never used to protect the health or life of the mother. Roe v. Wade is as expansive a right as there exists today. Let me repeat that: The right to an abortion in America is more absolute than the right of free speech, than the right of freedom of assembly, than the right of freedom of the press. Under constitutional interpretation, there is no limitation on the right to abortion--none--where these others all have limits. I would argue not great limits, but they are all limited in some fashion by the Court and by statutes that have been found constitutional by this Court. Except abortion, there is no limit. There is no practical limitation on the right to an abortion.
This--candidly and unfortunately, in some respects--is not a limitation on abortion either because if it were a limitation on abortion, the Court would find it unconstitutional. But it is not.
It is a rogue procedure that candidly is unhealthy. We have mountains of evidence from experts in the maternal field of medicine who say this procedure is the least healthy option for women. Obviously, it is the most horrendous and brutal to the child.
That is our plea. It is a modest one. It is so modest that many people do not understand why we are even pursuing it on both sides of this issue. [Page: S11595] They ask, Why are you suggesting this? It is not going to do anything. It will bar one procedure that is not used very much--a few thousand times a year. But, as the Senator from California says, every life matters. Every case is a tragedy. So we should do it if we can. We should, and we will, hopefully in a few weeks.
I yield the floor.